Anti capitalist conservatives......

So you think that them buying farm land in close proximity to US military bases is a complete non issue? That their is no potential for any espionage there?

 

Most countries don't allow foreign ownership of rural land.

Only a small percentage? I remember back in the 1970's when 'wetbacks' were just a few thousand here and there.

Now there's over 30 million and counting their anchor baby offspring, over 100 million.

But it wasn't a big deal at one time...like .7%.

 

Potential for espionage? Not likely, I doubt our military is dumb enough to give up high tech secrets to anybody with binoculars looking over a fence.

Ok so don't let foreigners own land near sensitive military bases. Satisfied?

Could be a problem with our bases outside the country.

 

Not true. The most restrictive countries are poor developing ones. You can buy land in Italy and France with no problem.

Now sure how this issue has a thing to do with Hispanic immigration.

 

So none of you cares that Chinese interests own over a trillion dollars in American stock but are alarmed they own $2B in farmland?

40% of the value of our stock market is held by foreigners. $19T worth.

 

I’m not as worried about the stock market. I own shares in foreign stocks and bonds through exchange traded funds. Though not as much as I used to. With retirement possible in less than 4 years, I have to be careful to protect what I have.

 

I'm not worried either but I think this land thing is a lot over nothing.

People even demanding an answer why Bill Gates is buying land. He's an American!

 

I worry about Gates more than the foreigners. He’s going to likely pull his land out of production to advance green energy goals and manipulate supply and price and promote his meatless meat investment

 

Buying farm land and not farming on that land makes no damn sense. It is a total waste of money. That would be like buying an apartment complex and not renting out any units.

 

Well, first we have the Chinese Communist state who would get a diplomatic immunity/international zone if they took over land within the USA borders.

Then next, we have Chinese people with money looking to hide away money overseas to keep the Chinese government from getting their hands on it.

In either case, the end result is that any property by Chinese people to hide funds would still end up in the hands of the Chinese government when it comes time to collect on debts.

Well, like I said above any "private" Chinese citizen's tax cheat investment will soon be demanded by the Chinese government. And, since foreigners can bring lawsuits against American entities in court here, the Chinese government might just have a claim to the property here.

Also, the foreign funds invested in China are all losses to a corrupt Chinese government who has made all the money disappear. The foreign investors just don't know that yet. They won't find out until they go to collect and that money has disappeared. Another house of cards.

I have been watching videos on YouTube, from China Insights channel, and others. I have seen how the Chinese house of cards is just about ready to fall. Things are heating up fast. If China isn't careful, it might face a total collapse of its Communist party system and the economy as the money has all disappeared.

Of course, it could all be media sensationalism. I haven't decided yet. We'll see.

 

What a concentrate of stupidities!

For once, I agree with Starcastle. Chinese money invested in the US will help US agriculture (and possibly industries as well) develop and prosper.

Your utter ignorance about politics, about economics and about law is astounding.

I'll just take 1 example: wgabrie complains the Chinese could freeze the land they buy and prevent it from producing anything; this is completely stupid, as it would be easy for US to pass a law forbidding that.

And, why would any chinese co buy anything in the US, and anywhere else for that matter, if not to make money out of their investment? The chinese are realistic people and won't spend their money stupidly. You seem to believe the chinese are still communists; well, try to understand they have changed a lot over the last 20 years; they are still very much authoritarian, but their entrepreneurs are deeply converted to the rules of capitalism; aren't you aware they have their own billionnaires?

The govt should not prevent foreigners from investing in the country; it should however make sure all foreign investors follow the US laws and rules of business. It could however keep a certain number of carefully selected strategic activities off limits for foreign investors.

Now, for your information, foreigners are allowed to buy companies, and maybe even land, in China.

 

Stupidest! FYI, any US land bought by foreign investors remain integral part of the US and subject to US laws. Immunity is only awarded for certain, limited, properties such as embassies, consulates etc..

Grow up!

Maybe you should watch less videos and try harder to understand the ones you're watching.

 

Yes, Chinese government ownership = immunity, just like diplomatic embassies.

And, since foreigners CAN bring cases into American courts, we'd better be careful.

We had better not leave things to chance.

 

We'd best not leave it to chance. Rolling the military in to retake those fields could be an act of war against China.

 

Oh, and I wouldn't count on the integrity of the US legal system right now.

 

Where do you get that? Simply owning property in another country grants you diplomatic immunity? How?

 

It is Chinese companies more than likely, especially with farmland. However, other countries include Canada, The Netherlands, Italy, Germany, and the UK as the most dominant in the ownership of land here. Canada has the greatest share, about 29% while China has .05%, as of 2020. I have not seen any numbers for 2021 yet.

These guys want to nationalize the farmland and every other industry. It is all about $$$$$$$$$$$ and control with any one of them wanting to be the next Putin. It is why I don't watch these guys on a regular basis but can watch them if need be. I used to like Tucker though on the Crossfire program where he wore a bowtie. He was more reasonable, IMO, than Pat Buchanan, yet still conservative. Buchanan would throw up some very conservative, off-the-wall remarks or proposals to try to solve the debate, which most of the time fell flat on his face.

The reality is we don't have any anti-colonial laws like in Mexico, generally, The Philippines, and elsewhere. Americans, as individuals are allowed to own "property" in the PRC, usually in the form of a condo or traditional house in the outskirts of the city. In the Philippines, a foreigner cannot own land, period, but can own the building. For businesses, in China, it is usually 50/50, the same in Japan, Taiwan, and a lot of other countries. In the Philippines, it is 60/40. 60% Filipino and 40% American. This is the price we have to pay for supporting someone name Marcos. Prior to that, it was 50/50 and it was not regularly enforced if you knew who to grease the wheels to. But that was in the 70s and 80s. Different time, different place.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/forei...and-facts-figures-and-assessment-real-threats

https://www.fsa.usda.gov/programs-and-services/economic-and-policy-analysis/afida/index

https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Assets/USDA-FSA-Public/usdafiles/EPAS/PDF/2020_afida_annual_report.pdf

 

They're more along the lines of Marxists. It's a socialist thing to be worried about ownership of the means of production. I'm surprised you aren't in agreement with these Republican Marxists perhaps tribalism is more powerful than policy.

 

You would seem to think that, but you would be wrong. There is a lot of private funds in the PRC. They just invest in all those skyscrapers in Beijing, Shanghai, Tianjin and elsewhere that people are suppose to live but don't.

China has a very fascinating small business environment in China where everybody competes with each other and even the big boys or companies. Another thing about China is that in their cities, they build up, not out, where as here, we build out, not up. How else did all those shopping centers, shopping malls, etc.

 

Have you ever heard that a diplomatic embassy is the land and ownership of its parent state? Have you seen how people can hide in an embassy and avoid prosecution by other states? Including the country whose border contains the land?

It's all about diplomatic pomp and protocol. Blame the Europeans for it, for the centuries of traditions and precedents that brought us to this point.

 

this is something I actually agree with you on Starcastle.

 

Is that a new brand you just created?

I thought I was getting used to your nonsense, but your creativity seems boundless.

 

You are forgetting the all-important question of "WHO." If a government, any government, purchases a piece of property in another country, for starters, both countries, the home country and host country, agree to such purchase, it intended purpose, etc. WE did this when the Soviet Union build, by purchasing the property and the contractors to build it, including their own workmen, and yet our own CIA was able to install listening devices into the walls.

But when it comes to individuals or businesses, no diplomatic immunity exists. If you screw up, get in a bar fight after getting drunk, get arrested, etc, you are on your own and have to deal with the consequences of your actions.

 

A diplomatic embassy or consulate is considered that country's land just as US Embassies and consulates is considered US Soil. If you are born in an Embassy, then you are a naturally born citizen under the law.

It is completely different when it comes to businesses and individuals who buy land in another country and they are not citizens. In some cases, they don't even have to set foot into the country to purchase the land. Everything is done electronically with legal representatives on both sides.

 

Wouaww! In which rabbit hole are you hiding?