His experience in put options isn't the question. His experience in trader fraud and investigation is the question. And since it was only his opinion and not any kind of actionable evidence, it should be treated for what it is; one guys opinion. Thanks for proving just how (*)(*)(*)(*)ing clueless you really are. The hedge against the United put options loss or gain was the purchase of the AA stock. That has been my point all along. Truthers willfully ignore the fact the purchase of the AA stock makes all their whining about the put options a moot point. Truthers also run from the fact the put options were never excercised. In other words, the company LOST money on their put options instead of making the millions truthers like to pretend were made. But hey. Keep right on ignoring the AA stock purchase and the overall loss of money made on the whole deal. I love watching truthers dance as they make complete fools of themselves.
I see you can't even grasp such a simple concept as different departments within an organization. So tell us again how the exact same people who set policy are also the ones who do the SEC investigations.
Because the SEC not doing its job is systemic. I believe the greater question would be for you to prove that the people that conducted this SEC investigation weren't the same people who have arrested no major figures in the banking industry for the global financial crisis. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/14/business/14prosecute.html?pagewanted=all
I said evidence, you know that thing you keep on demanding from anyone who has a question about 9-11, but that you then undermine every piece of evidence offered. Weird how 9-11 liars(inverse of truthers) can't meet the standards they demand from everyone else! Weird, because 3 experts in finance say you are a bold faced F#cking liar!! Source? I will, just as the 4 experts I sourced do!!
So your entire argument is based on your opinion that because one part of the SEC didn't do its job to your satisfaction, that any and all activities of the SEC, even if completely unrelated or from a different time, are likewise flawed. That is seriously (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up but just what I expect from you. Really? You want ME to prove that no SEC investigator in 2001 was involved in NOT arresting people for the global financial crisis? You do realize an investigator doesn't arrest people, right? You do realize you trying to pretend the entire global financial crisis and the handling thereof is the SEC's fault is complete bull(*)(*)(*)(*), right? Come on. Is this all you have? So how does a 2007 non-investigation tie to a 2002 investigation? And did you even read the article? It wasn't the SEC that was doing the investigation of Countrywide, but the SEC DID fine Angelo Mozilo 22.5 million dollars and forbade him from ever being an officer or director of a publicly traded company. So hmmm. Looks like the SEC is doing its job and others dropped the ball. But hey. KEEP DANCIN! Like I said, it is quite humourous watching truthers make complete and utter fools of themselves.
So now the entire world is in on it? Other countries and everything? Dood, the POTUS couldn't keep cum on a dress secret. Now we're involved other countries, and everyone is fine with this? No one is going to say, "I can't do this." Ok, that makes sense....what did Germany gain from 9/11 again?
We watched a melt down of the entire financial market. What part of the entire financial market is the SEC not in charge of oversight for? No I want you to show me how holding no major figures accountable for obvious fraud, in one of the most damaging events in American history doesn't completely remove an entire organization credibility. Because the SEC was in charge of both. So a guy who was clearly a major player in one of the most damaging events in American history walked away with a fine that barely made a dent in what he profited from the fraud in question, is what you consider doing their job, huh? I'll keep dancing as long as you keep playing the roll of the jester, clown pants!!
Wait, I thought we were talking about whether the SEC has any credibility, as you claimed earlier, because I never said anything like the words you just tried to put in my mouth!
It isn't my job to prove your chowderheaded twit is some expert witness on insider trading and that his opinion of what "had" to happen are so bulletproof that they are above reproach. Does he offer any evidence other than his good word that there "had" to be insider information. No. Don't try to push your utter failures on other people. Not only is your claim a lie, but I already showed you what the hedge was against the put options, which makes you an ignorant liar. What, you don't know this? I thought you were some kind of expert on the matter. Source Hey, if you want to be in the company of four obviously dishonest people, be my guest. The fact you continue to ignore the truth only proves my point with every passing response from you.
So the people in charge of the investigation into the put calls are the exact same people years later responsible for NOT arresting everyone you wanted arrested. In what twisted, (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up world does the actions or lack of actions of people in a part of an organization that sets policy and determines what to investigate impact the credibility of completely different people in a different time who do a completely different job? Face it. All your whining and crying is nothing but a pathetic excuse to ignore information you don't wish to acknowledge. Because I'm not so retarded as to think a specific investigation done years earlier is rendered null and void because a large organization with many different departments doesn't do things the way you think they ought to be done. So according to your (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up logic, if the IRS investigates someone in 2001 for tax fraud and finds them innocent, but then fails in 2007 to go after a bunch of various cheaters, this somehow proves the guy in 2001 was really a tax fraud because a different division of the IRS at a different point in time made an unrelated policy decision. Maybe if you put your retarded claims into a different contect you can see just how childish and insane they really are. It isn't my job to say whether or not they did their job. That isn't even the point of this thread. At this point the point of this thread is how you can honestly ignore evidence of an investigation done by both the SEC and the FBI simply because you are all butthurt over the SEC's handling of a completely different matter. To me that doesn't make sense and is evidence of someone making excuses because he knows he is wrong but doesn't want to face the truth. Hey, if that is what you think is going on here, keep it up! Ever hear the story of the Emperor's new clothes? All hail the king!
I love it when truthers show just how massive their egos are and how important they think their retarded claims are by whining that someone hasn't responded to one of their threads within minutes of them posting it. Clown pants indeed!
So you can't offer any evidence right 911 liar? Gotten to!! I call this game I win!! Except that 3 financial experts disagree, while another calls it all out fraud, right? LOLOLOLOLOL!!! The title of his source:
OMG, are you so F#cking retarded that you think the fraud that created the GFC started the day before the collapse?
Patriot911, you know you haven't posted in anything but a 9-11 thread since here: That is almost two weeks where you come to post in only 9-11 threads! Anyone not convinced there is something very wrong with this picture, needs to do nothing more then look at your post history to see evidence of something very wrong here!
Do a Google search on 'Patriot911'. You'll have to skim through some pages, but you'll find some stuff on him. Like, he joined a militia message board. He apparently enjoys sailing, photography, and marksmanship. And that he's a retired consultant. He's conservative - maybe a tea party member. His conservatism is why he defends Bush.
Sounds like someone's looking for a date. What does calling truthers on their false premises, and terrible logic have to do with defending Bush?
I've never posted in any other category here, other than 9/11. I have no interest in politics, not even a little bit. Yet, I hand Hulston his ass on a regular basis. I fail to see how that has to do with anything?
Like the Bush quote for example: that he saw the first plane impact. Patriot has rushed to the defense of that, trying his best to downplay it. Why are you defending Patriot? He supposedly believes in God, but look at the way he treats other children of the Lord. You support this? You support his actions?
Just look at all the conclusions you're leaping to in this single post. I asked you a question. Where did all that other garbage come from?
I come here to point out how incredibly flawed and poorly supported truther's conclusions are. I point out their poor understanding of science, and their terrible logic. Does that mean I'm here to stick up for the people the truthers are trying to tear down with their shoddy arguments? Nope. That's just another poorly supported conclusion. It's quite possible to think that 9/11 was an fundamentalist Islamic plot to attack America without sticking up for Bush, or neocons, or government, or whatever dumb villain the truthers try to cram into the center of the plot.
That is suspicious, whether you want to acknowledge it or not, that you don't post in other sections. I hear your "I don't care about politics" and raise you Cointelpro... and programs like it. But to take your statement at face value, I would say that you should re-direct your priorities, if they're true, and show and develop an interest in politics. They're important. I'd also recommend developing a passion for history. It is important to know both what is happening and what has happened. Furthermore, I believe that exposing oneself to histories that run contrary to what was taught in K-12, which is sanitized pro country history, is like waking up from something like the Matrix. I say that because our words have the power, if said by certain individuals, to create worlds - new worlds.
Dude he destroys you. This is how this goes: Holston: Source, source, science, science, document, document, logic, reason. Plague311: Stupid truther, your sources are lies! BTW, how does one come to a political chat board, and end up posting only about 9-11, 11 years after it happened? I mean I get maybe the first 5 years of your life you spent in just 9-11 threads, but really you didn't get board after 10 years of it?
So let me get this straight Fangbeer is smarter then every Engineer, physicist, and chemist that have entered a opinion on the subject, that doesn't completely dismiss any questions that are asked? What exactly do you do for a living Fangbeer? You ever even taken a Calculus class before? Not even like engineering Calculus, but like basic Calculus you take for a business degree?
