Are Jews "Chosen" ? Chosen by who ?

BS - Poppycock - the runaway Egyptian slaves was NOT a nation, at best a collection of tribes of dubious origins.

Not sure abt that "sons of Israel" crap - they were called "Hebrews " heebs -

btw - I think you meant Judah not judiah . right ?

wiki says : (according to biblical myths )

Judah (Hebrew: יְהוּדָה, Standard Yhuda Tiberian Yəhûḏāh) was, according to the Book of Genesis, the fourth son of Jacob and Leah, and the founder of the Israelite Tribe of Judah. Biblical scholars, such as J. A. Emerton view the narrative of Judah as a postdiction, an eponymous metaphor providing an aetiology of the connectedness of the tribe to others in the Israelite confederation.[1]

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That is if you choose to believe that BS , there's NO reliable evidence to support it.



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Thank you - Its refreshing to come across an Israeli who's honest enough to accept a few truths - and NOT try B -s -ing and lamely try fooling others. None of us are perfect - and if we are to live together on this planet , we'd best learn to accept our differences and rather concentrate on what we've got in common.
Jews - (I mean Sephardim/Mizrahi ) and indigenous Palestinian - (Druze-Christian-Muslim) have a common heritage . IMO - the prblem lies with Zionism - (Nationalism) a doctrine set on dispossing/displacing non-Jewish Palestinians in order to establish the European godless Zionist dream for "DER JUDENSTAAT" instead of sharing the land with those people who've lived there for many centuries - before Herzl + those who folowed him.

SHALOM ,


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Another side of the equation that is unsaid, there is nothing out there that says the Palestinian people aren't also Isrealite/Hebrews that just haven't documented their history in the same way as the Jewish branch of the group.
For all the ancient Jewish document based on Israel, where is the documented history that says how they landed in Germany.

 

them last few posts are thought provoking

 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703746604574464023091024180.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_and_Judaism_in_Europe

 

This. Those who complain about Jews being "chosen" usually have zero understanding what this concept even means, so they blather about arrogance.
But remember: don't let threads like this confuse you. They have nothing against Jews, God forbid. They are just anti-zionist!

 

moving to religion

 

S/strecher - good links.

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dwarrior - according to Jewish bible - Israelites (commanded - by their god Elohim?Yahwey wotever ) carried out mass slaught -genocide against Philistines + other Canaanites , those who survived was first forced conversion to Judaism - somehowe a few managed to retain their Pre-Judaic religion - (read Solomon's visit to idolators temple etc.) Roman made no serious attempt to enforce Roman beliefs on Jews , Byzantines was different in spreading Christ's message . Its very likely that some Jews converted first to Christianity and later to Islam.

THose ancient Canaanites who were'nt slaughtered by the invading Hebrews were simply absorbed systematically eliminated by
the mythical - "Abrams " descendents .


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Who's complaining ? as if the Jews' god will notice ?

Naturally like all words , "chosen " can mean whatever our Zionist friends want it to mean.

Watch your paranoia . dearie.

btw - are'nt ou suppose to be working ?

 

This guy right here:

um... relevance?

 

Woman. - Raising a QUESTION is NOT a complaint .


GOT IT ?


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Boooomp.

(wink)

 

Woman of Mass Dishonesty , where are you ?

 

I have not been following this thread, but found the title interesting. Also having not read the entire thread, I am unaware as to whether or not the following questions have been asked:
1: Who are the "Jews"?
2: How is a "Jew" defined?
3: What are the physical characteristics of a "Jew"?
4: What country is the original nation of the "Jews"?
5: How can a "Jew" be identified as one who is or is not a "Jew"?

Can someone please answer those questions?

 

A Jew is someone who's mother is/was a Jew.....unless you want to emigrate to Israel when one Jewish male grandparent will do to qualify you as a Jew.

 

Yes. they are chosen. They are chosen by God.

 

What about the other questions that you did not answer. Seemingly you only answered one of those questions. Now, as to your answer.... where did you obtain that piece of information?

 

They're not really appropriate to the thread....and anyway, doing the stereotypical physical characteristics would be both racist...and frankly impossible, given the fact that so many are now white Europeans and Americans etc.

The thread, even though it degenerated into the usual I'm right/you're wrong bickering, was more about the fact that those who said the Jews were "chosen" were the Jews themselves......and if you do not believe in God or the Bible...or believe in the word for word veracity of the Old Testament.....then self agrandissement is nothing on which to base "rights".......or religions.

The original and current Jewish definition of a born Jew is someone whose mother is Jewish, according to Jewish Law. That is why male Jews aren't meant to marry Gentiles.....because the children of the marriage will not be Jewish.

Though you can convert to Judaism...which is what makes it a religion and not a race.

 

jew is a person that believe in judaism

no matter the race, ethnic, cultural or even the genetic lineage of the person.


kind of like a christian can be any race

or the muslims

or the honest


all just human beings that follow a belief.


well, except the honest, they follow an inner system of 'evolving' with knowledge versus holding onto a subjective line of reasoning

 

Which god ?

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I've been trying to find a rational /comprehensible reply from various " Jews " for years , without success. I recomend you read this :


The Invention of the Jewish People
= by shlomo sand
[ame="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844674223"]The Invention of the Jewish People: Amazon.co.uk: Shlomo Sand: Books[/ame]

or

The Wandering WHO ? Gilad Atzmon
[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Wandering-Who-Gilad-Atzmon/dp/1846948754"]Amazon.com: The Wandering Who (9781846948756): Gilad Atzmon: Books[/ame]

OR just read as many book reviews on the subject as you can but learn how to avoid .recognise Zionist propaganga .

Jews AgainstZionists also a good source of information exposing diabolical Zionists lies.

cheers.

 

I can understand your plight in seeking out information that would benefit your understanding of WHO the "Jew" really is, at the same time, if you are recommending the purchase of a book that you seemingly have already read, why not just give us your views based on your findings as opposed to making a suggestion toward a likely unnecessary purchase. I say 'likely unnecessary purchase' because it also seems that you still have not found the answer even after you presumably having read those two books.

 

That would be because if you are not religious.....there is no such thing as a rational reasonable answer to anything in religion.....and Judaism is after all a religion...dreamed up by a warring tribe originally to try and persuade the waverers who still went for multiple gods to get with the programme.

By the time they produced the book of what became the Old Testament....they had the masses in their area buying into their fantasies....so they wrote the fantasies down..and used that to produce the Torah and embellished it with the Talmud..and then they had the control they wanted.......much as Constantine did re Christianity and Mohammed did re Islam.

Without the arrogance of those who invented Judaism, wrote the Old Testament and proclaimed themselves "the Chosen People", the World would be a much better place now, imo..because there would be no Abrahamic religions.

 

So you were actually there and witnessed what was taking place and therefore have firsthand KNOWledge of the events? Amazing. That would make you older than Methuselah.

So, there were other groups of people around at that time. Did you also witness their birth as a national group of people?

 

Don't be sarcastic.....if you can't bother your backside to do some work for yourself....or even bother to read the thread on which you are writing.....why would you expect anyone to spoon feed you?