Arlington National Cemetery tries to erase blacks and women

If you will paste "archive.is/" immediately after the www. it will either take you to a readable copy or ask if you want to create one, takes about a minute, and then you can read it. Works on most firewalled sites. That being said the poster should have not only posted a non-firewalled cite they post a false headline and the thread is still here.

 

Yes isn't it bigotry to make special note of blacks but not whites?

 

You never read the cite or anything about this did you. What data are you claiming they were deleting and be specific.

 

You mean there won't be a special link to direct people to queer people buried there? Why should their be one?

 

No. I mean queer people being kicked out of the military with no cause in addition to that. Which . . . why remove such "special" information that is already there except out of animus that your side already has for queer folk?

 

Well, Steve, everybody should be on that list. Aren’t we all victims of Dementia Don and his koolaid swilling doofuses?

 

It was progressive idea to free slaves and the conservative view to keep status quo. You're not fooling anyone trying to convince yourself conservatives aren't racists and bigots.

 

Wring. Conservatives with their actions and behavior embrace bigotry.

 

Never said they weren't, although

 

I never thought this was about "an effort to dismiss the many accomplishments of white men." I never thought that. As a white man, I don't feel victimized in the slightest by honoring the patriotism and bravery of service members of other races. I don't think Trump or Musk do either.

You spoke of "our journey as a nation." In my lifetime (born in 1955), I have seen massive changes in race relations in our country. And I honestly believe we have turned a corner. I remember thinking how proud I was of my country when it elected Barack Obama as President, and I didn't even vote for him. But I was still proud of my country, for it solidified my sense that our country had truly turned the corner, leaving the past behind. His election would have been impossible when I was born, but this is a different age in that journey you speak of.

And so I just think it is time that we honor our American heroes, whether they are soldiers, first responders, or ordinary citizens who have shown courage or selflessness. And we can honor those Americans who have made notable contributions to our country. And I believe we have reached a point in our journey where we can, and should, do that without respect to race. As we look at our history, we should not deliberately include or exclude, emphasize or omit, anybody because of their race. If we do that, our history will naturally and automatically include the heroics, the accomplishments, the struggles, and the successes of the people of a diverse nation.

I honestly wish we would come to a point where what we emphasize our nationality - citizens of the USA - as more important than the color of our skin.

I read an NBC News report on the changes that were made to the Arlington National Cemetery website. It was 13 paragraphs long, talking about taking down a page about Jackie Robinson and Medgar Evans. It wasn't until the 10th paragraph that the article mentioned:

“In Arlington, he lies beside men and women of all races, backgrounds and walks of life who have served and sacrificed for our country,” Trump said. “Their headstones do not mark the color of their skin, but immortalize the courage of their deeds.”

Likewise, last month, Trump announced that Robinson and other Black figures would be honored in a planned National Garden of Heroes.

That doesn't sound like the words and actions of a white man who feels like a victim because a black man is honored.

 

Another one completely incapable of seeing that THEY are the ones advocating for racism and sexism.

I legitimately can't comprehend how you cant see that your positions are racist.

So, 3 white guys, a black guy, and an Latina woman go to battle and all perish.

You don't at all think it's racist that the black guy and the female get special recognition for their sacrifice based on nothing more than the quantity of melanin in their skin or what kind of genitalia they have?

Really?

Were their lives more valuable? More worthy of special recognition? Bro, that's racist AF.

 

Not even close.

They weren't removed. The racist notations applied to them were removed.

You're embarrassing yourself, truly.

They didn't remove the people's names just like any other fallen hero. They removed all the bs tied to their names about race and sex that gave them special credit because of genes.

 

Those heros aren't being erased. The fact they had a vagina is.

 

You go with whatever helps you sleep at night…

 

Oh, sorry that woman were hero’s…..odd that they only removed black wieners and all colors of vaginas….


Wierd huh

 

I've got to ask. Why is it that mention of immutable characteristics so important to you?

And know why they only had to remove mention of "black wieners and all colors of vaginas"? Because they're the only ones being specially mentioned. You won't see one article making special mention of "<insert soldiers name here> was a white man" or some variation thereof. Mind you, they're NOT erasing/deleting the history of individuals that happen to be black or a woman or hispanic or whatever. The only thing being removed is that they were <insert race/gender here>. Which is fine by me. I don't care about those things. Those things are not what makes a person. Their actions are what makes a person.

 

A hero is a hero; it makes no difference if they are black, white, etc. To take note of that difference, to separate them from other heroes- that is establishing a racial divide, making race a reason why they should be recognized differently... That- is Racism.

 

Maybe you don't, but clearly THEY DO, which is why they made it a priority to create policies like mass-deletion of historical records relating to minorities, women and politically incorrect words (like names of certain aircraft).

They seem to have realized the voters saw it as blatantly racist, because now they are reinstating the data including those of black MOH recipients, Tuskegee Airmen, the WW2 mail handling women and thousands of others who were erased from historical records.

God knows why they thought re-writing history would be approved / condoned by anyone other than die-hard loyalists. I don't think they are in sync with regular Americans.

The people who were deleted were Americans who were honored for their courage, selflessness and contributions. That's why deleting them based on race didn't make any sense whatsoever.

Hmm....this can mean two things: 1. You disagree with deleting the data. or 2. You are saying the people who were deleted should have been deleted, because they were in the records only because of their race / gender (blacks & women = DEI). Maybe you can clarify this.

His order to delete tens of thousands of records based on race / gender says all we need to know about his views about this issue. Ok. Now I know you agreed with the order to delete.

 

The military is for killing people in the most efficient way possible. There is absolutely no evidence anywhere that gay men are nearly as good or efficient at that as straight men. In an existential war of survival where millions die, this issue will be kicked to the curb. It is a luxury belief exercised by a hegemonic power. When reality comes knocking at the door, the elite will quickly learn how to maximize hard power and it will not involve equal rights for gays/trannies in the military. There is no way queers could possibly make the military better at its core mission of slaughtering enemies but queers certainly could make the military a less effective killing machine.

 

Is there evidence that they are not?

Common sense suggests sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. Some people are "good" at killing, and some are not.

Some might also argue that a strong military is good at deterring killing in the first place.

 

I've been a straight white male my entire life, and never once felt like a victim. This "counter-DEI" thing has become a witch hunt. It was never a big deal, but this administration has turned it into one in order to divide America. We are easy to control when we are divided.

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U.S. Marine Band forced to cancel concert with students of color after Trump DEI order

 

This is not just a witch hunt. Although most MAGA will not admit it, the objective here is for everyone non-white to go again to the back of the bus.

 

I disagree. There was a gay dude in my platoon in Iraq. Everyone knew he was gay, even though the policy was "don't ask, don't tell." Everyone liked him. And he was a a ****ing machine on the battlefield. always scored a perfect 300 on the PT test, was a brilliant squad leader, lead from the front, shot expert, was motivating as hell. He never backed down from a firefight. Just a bad ass *********ker who happened to have a boyfriend in the states. We see the images that are all over the internet, and we are programmed to think that is representative of all gay people. Not true at all.
Hell, the ancient Spartans, the same bad ass *********kers that held the line against the Persian hordes at the battle of Thermopylae, pretty much normalized gay relationships as part of their military traditions. They encouraged heterosexual relationships for procreation, and homosexual relationships for unit cohesion and bonding.

So, I think you are very wrong in your assumptions. I don't think being gay has any impact whatsoever on military effectiveness.

 

It's just an excuse to put blacks and women in their place. It's ridiculous and I find it surprising so many still believe it is what they claim it is (a fight against the discrimination and victimization of white straight males). Did white straight males ask the government to come to their aid? No, they did not. Other factions portrayed "DEI" as the greatest evil of current time, and the greatest enemy of the great white male.

 

If only one of the top military research groups on the planet had researched exactly this topic. Oh wait, they did. Trans and gay soldiers to negatively impact unit cohesion or readiness. This isn't about actually caring about the military. This is just about your unreasonable hatred for the LGBTQ community. You can't even talk about trans people without resorting to junior high level hateful slurs.

If you were aware of military history, you would also know that, when things get as dire as you are talking about, even women and young teens end up picking up arms.