At its rout, doesn't "pro-life" indicate they beleive women are "stupid" or "evil"?

You: """"As voters, they have their right to determine who and what should be allowed to be killed. """


Then they "voted" in the wrong Supreme Court Justices

 

Actually it's the fetus's right to life that doesn't override the woman's right to choose what happens to her body....

 

So even though you have denied it, you believe women should be punished (FORCED to give birth).

 

The woman chose what happened to her body when she had sex (which leads to pregnancy.) Here's an analogy. you can't just use a credit card and then say, "i have the choice to not pay credit card payments".

 

Would ahve been nice to have quoted the one section instead of the entire comment. You only need to put

 

Sam, HOW many times are you going to post that , be shot down and then repeat it as if repeating it makes it true?

Just because a woman chooses to sex sex that doesn't erase all her human rights...

When a man has sex does HE give up his rights ???


AND you DO have the right to NOT pay your credit card bill....go ahead!



YOU just want to punish women for having sex.......by FORCING her to give birth...

 

Are you saying lifers cant pass a law to overrule the Supreme Court? Didnt know that.

 

I don't believe that women should be punished. If women want to use birth control to avoid the consequences of sex, then I don't care. However, the fetus's right to life is more important than the woman's right to avoid the negative consequences of sex.

 

And whilst I think that's totally wrong, its by no means misogynistic, and for some reason others here cannot understand that.

 

From Dictionary.com :mi·sog·y·nis·tic/mɪˌsɒdʒəˈnɪstɪk, maɪ‐/ Show Spelled [mi-soj-uh-nis-tik, mahy‐] Show IPA
adjective
reflecting or exhibiting hatred, dislike, mistrust, or mistreatment of women.

 

Yes, but it does remove her right to override other people's rights.

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Because sex is a choice relating to health.

Dont know if you knew this, but sex can lead to pregnancy, and only pregnant women can have an abortion. That makes it relevant.

All of this is incidental to the goal of the LIFER (I emphasis the word LIFE, which relates to the fetus) position.

You are saying all lifers make these comments and that all lifer ideology uses these comments when making the pro-life case? You realise that by demonising all lifers you push those that might change their position away from the choicer position because they feel that you're focused on accusing them of intentions they dont have instead of focusing on the logic of their arguments? Incidentally, the logic of most lifers is as EQUALLY flawed as the logic of most choicers - ie that human life is important and valuable in and of itself. Both have the same position in many cases - they simply disagree on when a human being "exists".

Which makes sense if you think all human life should be valued.

 

Exactly. I dont get what's so hard about this for these people to understand.

 

What is the value of a fetus separated from the woman? A fetus has potential value. After it is born it will be a human with value.

Misogynists view women as "birthing machines" rather than persons who can give birth. Thank you for illustrating.

 

There is no dislike or mistrust, so the only word at issue of mistreatment:

mis·treat [mis-treet] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
to treat badly or abusively.

badly and abusively refer essentially to unprincipled, harsh and unjustified action, which is not the case here, since the lifer position can be principled and justified and seeks to avoid harsh outcomes for fetuses which it, quite logically, contends is more important than the choice of killing a fetus by a woman.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/badly?s=t


So by definition, lifer position IS NOT misogynistic.

 

So you base your judgement of ABORTION on the SEX ACT.

 

If you believe every human has value then a fetus has value. That is why lifers are not misogynistic in contending, simply by that argument, that women should not have abortions.

Are you saying all lifers see women as "birthing machines"?

Illustrating what? Are you alleging I think women are purely "birthing machines"?

 

WHAT "other people"? There are NO "other people".

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Misogynistic does not refer to how Anti-Choicers feel about the fetus

 

He's referring to the fetus, which is another human.

 

As usual, we'll turn Gorn's argument here back around on him and expose his duplicitous trolling for what it truly is. Do you believe that people can be "reasoned with" into not committing homicide? Or do you think that they are "stupid" since your "logical or ethical or factual" argument against homicide won't work? By your own logic, if you believe the only way to stop or even reduce the number of homicides in society is by outlawing them, then you clearly have a very negative view of human beings in general. Which actually takes you a step beyond misogyny. It makes you a full-blown misanthrope.

Now let's add another little inconvenient scenario here to further drive the point home. When people engage in gender-selective abortion, does this change your position? If not, then you are perfectly okay with a law that allows people to selectively kill females just because they are female. Which makes you misogynist by default. If so, then you've just gone back on your whole argument and rendered yourself misogynist by your own standards.

Have fun rationalizing your way out of that one.

It's selfish when that life comes at the expense of someone else's life. Absolutely. By your logic, a man who murders his wife because he wants a life of his own is not selfish. Do you understand that?

And yet you don't believe the children they are killing have the right to protect their own bodies. So hypocritical.

You kill a man's child. He has no legal recourse to stop it from happening. And you claim he's not affected? One of my best friends lost a child many years ago when the woman he impregnated decided to murder it without any regard for how it would impact him. To this day, he still talks about this. How old his child would be. What kind of dad he would have been. He is still deeply hurt 17 years later. Men aren't affected? Get real. Take a look at what you've just typed here. That is what the heart of a true sexist looks like. You've projected all of the ugliness that's in your own heart onto the people around you because it's the only way you can convince yourself that you're the good guy.

But doesn't this work both ways? Without a fetus, there would be no woman. A woman is simply the end stage of female development. She's not born a woman. She's a fetus first.

The belief that giving birth is punishment speaks volumes about what you think of children and by extension the human race as a whole. Notice how the support for abortion always comes down to devaluing human life.

 

I actually believe abortion should be illegal regardless of how the fetus was conceived. However, it's much harder to justify making abortoin illegal in the rare situatons.

 

On its own, without a connection to the woman, it does not. An oak tree has value, but an acorn that is dropped to the ground and buried only has potential value. The same is true throughout nature.

Any kind of objectification of women is misogynistic.

They believe women should be forced to use their bodies against their will, so yes.

I believe you said women were "life support machines."

 

To over simplify, Don't like abortion, Don't have one.

 

It's human, it's not A human and it is not a "people" and speak for yourself.