"Atheism Produces Evil on Incredible Levels"

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  1. dairyair

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    Explain, please. How does this mean the major denominations all have the same Christian belief? If they did, all would be RC now.
     
  2. Wolverine

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    Go back a couple pages, there are two long posts of mine.

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    Actually, no it wasn't. Thing is about "prophecies" is that you cannot look at them and say this exact event is going to happen in the future, no, it is always hindsight in the act of duct taping different events together to force them into the confines of the prophecy.

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    And I know a pastor who doesn't believe that Relation is a valid book in the Bible.

    *shrugs
     
  3. yardmeat

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    If this were "fair and right", then it would be "fair and right" for me to use Jihadists, the Colonialists like Columbus and Leopold of Belgium, the murderous Christians of Uganda and the child-killers of Nigeria to judge all religious societies. You and Qchan are using one atheist ideology that happens to have wielded a lot of political power in the past in order to judge atheists who do not adhere to this ideology. It is ethically and intellectually disgusting.
     
  4. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the conquistadors were spreading religion.... and death.... the results were about as genocidal as the holocaust. the Armenian genocide was all about religion
     
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    Taoism and particular sects of Buddhism have been the world's most peaceful religions. So, that small effort was of great value. :)
     
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    Sorry don't recognize any authority you have in regards to God.
     
  7. cupid dave

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    When you say, "I know a pastor who doesn't believe that Relation is a valid book in the Bible," you show neither he nor you know Revelation was actually an ancient Jewish writing which Jesus passed down to us as being correct.
    It was at lest 2 centuries old by 32AD.
    It was originally written in Hebrew, too, which had been dead for 200 years before Jesus even appeared.

    The first 3 chapters Jesus added but the rest is, word for word, straight from Jewish End Times, excepting were Jesus added the lamb, and other ideas.
     
  8. cupid dave

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    So you are saying that when Stalin and Mao outlawed religion and then killed 60 MILLION people each, to install communism, and then watched as the nation flounder in front of them, it is picky choosie?
     
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    It is picky choosie to use those people to judge atheism as a whole, including non-communist atheists such as myself, just as it is picky choosie to use Jihadism to judge theism as a whole.
     
  10. cupid dave

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    You mean the gold seeking CONQUISTADORS (i.e.; warriors) who came to take gold from the indians don't you?
    They were followed by preachers who converted people later.
    But 600 Spanish gold thieves are hardly a criminal enterprise or a Catholic enterprise, by comparison.
     
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    Uh, this passage is clearly talking about something happening in the city of Jerusalem. "the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified." But apparently you think that just ignoring what it says and replacing the words with your own isn't just idiotic for some reason.

    Uh, yeah, sure this makes sense if you change days to years for no particular reason other than to make it match up with what you want. What sort of justification do you have to say that the Bible means "years" when it says "days"? Honestly, that's what the rest of your stupid overlaying does. The Bible says something and you change what it says to fit what you want it to. Just childish, cupid. Come on and grow up.
     
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    If rejection of God can never be forgiven, then what is the point in trying now or later to come to God?
     
  13. Vicariously I

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    Man what kind of nonsense have I been missing while I've been gone?

    Oh wait, the same nonsense as usual.
     
  14. ARDY

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    The Requerimiento (Spanish) "requirement" as in "demand" was a written declaration of sovereignty and war, read by Spanish military forces to assert their sovereignty (a dominating control) over the Americas. Written by Council of Castile jurist Juan López de Palacios Rubios in 1513, it was used to justify the assertion that God, through historical Saint Peter and appointed Papal successors, held authority as ruler over the entire Earth; and that the Inter Caetera Papal Bull, of 4 May 1493 by Pope Alexander VI, conferred title over all the Americas to the Spanish monarchs.[1] The Requerimiento probably had its origins as early as the 8th century in the Dawah messages sent to non-Muslim nations by Arab conquerors, demanding that their recipients submit to Islamic rule (see Aslim Taslam).[2]

    The Requerimiento emerged in the context of moral debates within Spanish elites over the colonization of the Americas, and associated actions such as war, slavery, 'Indian reductions', conversions, relocations, and war crimes. Its use was criticised by many clerical missionaries, most prominently Bartolomé de las Casas.
     
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    This proclamation sounds like a religious thing, but it was just like a America saying that God is on our side, during WWII.
    It wasn't the Pope, who was in Italy, of course.
    Nor did the Spanish really mean his to apply to the south American Indians they later robbed as much as they could.
    It was probably directed at other European nations, especially England, as a warning not to compete or challenge the Spanish who were at the height of their powers around that time.

    You don't believe that the Spanish were hardly announcing to themselves that they had a right to take over the Aztecs and the Mayans.
    I am certain without checking that this was a message to competitors in Europe.
    It was more like America announcing that the moon was ours in 1961.
     
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    Actually, this unit was an extra special kind of nonsense. It did more to hurt the cause of Yahweh than a hundred anti-theists at a Sam Harris rally.

    It went into hiding yesterday, so you missed the fun :)
     
  17. ARDY

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    no
    it was like the pope saying god is on america's side


    it is a little like israel saying god gave all this land to us
    we can do as we please with the land and whom ever has temporarily occuped our land

    funny though all of the clever rationales that can be devised to exculpate religion as expedient for your argument
     
  18. ARDY

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    funny
    i could swear that this was the borgia pope sitting very much in rome

    care to bring back details on pope alexander iv?
    or would it be too embarrassing to be wrong about anything, ever
     
  19. cupid dave

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    It wasn't from the Pope, though.

    And I believe I was correct, in saying the message wasn't to the Indians in America.
    It was a land grab thing, announced by what was then the Super power, one ready to announce its ownership of South America.
     
  20. ARDY

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    Inter caetera ("Among other [works]") was a papal bull issued by Pope Alexander VI on 4 May 1493, which granted to Spain (the Crowns of Castile and Aragon) all lands to the "west and south" of a pole-to-pole line 100 leagues west and south of any of the islands of the
     
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    Ok, I looked this up.

    This was to the Indians as a law which the Spanish were placing upon the inhabitants which they had already conquered.
    It was a reprint of earlier things used for other things which extended the Kings authority.

    And it used the idea that the Popes where the people placing crowns of kings heads.

    "The 1513 Requerimiento, in relation to the Spanish invasion of the Americas and subsequent Spanish colonization of the Americas: demanded that the local populations accept Spanish rule and allow preaching to them by Catholic missionaries; on pain of war, slavery or death. The Requerimiento did not demand conversion, although the Indian Reductions through the Encomienda and Mission systems often did. This claim provided a legal loophole for enslavement of the population as rebellious vassals if they resisted, and the document stated: "We emphasise that any deaths that result from this [rejection of Christian rule] are your fault…"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requerimiento

    It was written by the Spanish, and mentions the pope as one of the authorities from which its right to do this comes.
     
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    Yes, it seems that I was wrong in guessing that Spain was talking to the indians:

    "You don't believe that the Spanish were hardly announcing to themselves that they had a right to take over the Aztecs and the Mayans" was wrong.
    The Popes did certify actions by the kings they crowned and justified what they were doing as part of God's plan for the church.
     
  23. ARDY

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    yes
    it was the legal implementation of the papal bull of 1493
    wherein the roman pope granted the Spanish crown authority

    the spanish interpreted this to mean they had god endorsed authority
    and any resistance to their rule was resistance to the will of god
     
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    All this was an extension of the 1000 year reign of Jesus which had ended in 1054AD, when the Greek Church rose up as a competitor.
    The great seven headed beast brought back the ancient Roman and Greek culture in what was called the Renaissance.
    By the time of the matter of America here, Protestantism had started and the power of the pope was rapidly reduced.

    Here is what Revelation had to say about this whole thing:

    3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

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    You do know you are completely wrong when you claim that the Catholic Church was the only Christian Church prior to 1054AD, right?
     

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