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Are you in Australia? It doesn't really matter. I'm just curious.

What do you think the alternative should be? Just let it coast through every town unmitigated? Where's the "middle of the road"?

 

Disappointed who exactly, you?

 

I'm not in australia but where do you see the numbers to panic?

 

I'm not sure that I said anybody should panic. Where did you get that idea?

 

Then you agree with me that based on the numbers, it's slightly confusing as to why the hell they've gone all authoritarian

 

We are talking about a nation that once ordered soldiers and two machine guns into action against a flock of Emus.

 

I didn't say that either.

 

When do you recommend people take action against a forseeable disaster? Before it happens, or after?

 

For anybody else who pops into this conversation....I thought Dayton3 was making a funny. Apparently not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War

 

Do you think we should panic AFTER we've let the horse bolt?

 

You don't bring in the National guard to lock people down because 2 people died from covid in a day with a population of over 25 million.

Jesus no. That's absolutely ridiculous

 

Do you understand what 'exponential growth' means?

 

What number do you think the tipping point should be?

 

Show me evidence that the death rate would surpass the 60 a day (which is still nothing) that Australia saw when they were most impacted

 

First, it was never about the death rate - it was always about a virus which keeps you alive but quite sick. Sick enough to need doctors and hospitals otherwise not equipped for huge influxes of patients simultaneously. Second, the Delta variant is at least four times more contagious than the Alpha variant, so the potential for that exponential growth is significant. Therefore the potential for that huge influx of patients to the healthcare system is significant - and is actually being realised everywhere Delta has spread.

As long as you think these lockdowns are about something else (ie, death rate), none of it will make sense to you. But in answer to your question... if Delta is allowed free rein, there will be many hundreds - possibly thousands - of deaths a day. There is no other possibility with this particular variant, in a largely unvaccinated population.

 

We don't have the numbers precisely because we locked down early and we locked down hard. You only get the 'numbers' you are referring to if you don't lock down. In fact the more case you have the less effective lock downs become. The US didn't lock down in a coordinated manner and it got huge case loads as did a lot of other places.

And yes, saying 'lock down' is easier than doing it. We're smaller for a start so that made organizing a lock down easier in some respects. Also we had (a little) more time to get organized than the US did plus we're 8 States and Territory governments had to get on board with the federal Government, not your 50. Much easier to manage and coordinate. At the start they all sat around a table and nutted out a basic strategy face to face. Not perfect but workable.

 

Oh for heavens sake. The problem isn't 'just' 2 people dying. Stop looking in the rear view mirror and pay attention to whats on the road heading towards you. That's 2 people dead now. What you should be worried about is how many more dead there will be next week/month/year based on the numbers crunched by your epidemiologists. And the fact that for every death you have 20 more people in hospital taking up beds and resources needed by other people and the problem becomes evident. Do you know how much it costs to run one ICU bed for a week?

In short you argument is a bit like saying why call the fire brigade? It's only a small patch of forest that's burnt down! But of course if the winds not blowing towards your house why care.

 

Do you know how many people are currently in icu in all of Australia? 62. Of the less than 400 in the hospital for covid. In a country of 25 mil.

That's peanuts.

How about instead of panicking, they increased their triage and medical support while trying to incentives more people into getting vaccinated?

Now is not the time to panic
https://www.health.gov.au/resources...es-in-hospitals-and-intensive-care-units-icus

 

Dude, I'm here .. and involved at the coalface. What you call "panic", is exactly why we have 400 in hospital instead of 4000. If we didn't "panic", we would assuredly have that 4000, and at that point our systems are going to start to implode.

The time to "panic" is when you have even a single case. It's NEVER too early, but very often far too late.

 

Well stay locked down then fella. Ya never know when the lambda variant may come and it might be even worse than the delta! Of course there won't be a vaccine for that either so it's going to be horrible.

Better get ahead of the curve now!

 

Have you considered the possibility that some of us don't think of deaths (any amount) as "nothing"?

 

Considering more people likely die each day from car accidents and the like, how do you ever expect to get your freedom back if you decide to panic so easily?

 

A very westernized way of thought. Flawed though.

 

Well we only started sending our convicts to Australia in 1776 when we could no longer send them to America like we'd done for the previous 160 years.

 

Transportation was seen as a mercy at the time since the choice was often that or a death sentence.