Biden's misguided attempt to support trans gender children

Circumcision would be a better tattoo comparison. Should circumcision be banned before 18?

 

Teachers aren't prescribing this kind of treatment. Physicians are. To their patients. While consulting their guardians.

 

Teachers "pushing it" isn't any more common than teachers having sex with children.

Unless by "pushing it" you mean teachers merely discussing gender identity.

 

Before you go through puberty, which rewires all your thinking about your dangly parts and the opposite gender, who previously had cooties, or the same gender if that's your thing, making permanent changes is ill advised. After you have been rewired naturally, and live to adulthood, and still want to be rewired surgically, go for it. I don't have any intentions of paying for it, but at that point, it's none of my business.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not some prude, which you may know as it's not something I've been shy about sharing. I just think children and adults are different, and should be treated differently. I got a tattoo without asking my mom, or anyone else, for permission. Because I was an adult when I did it. Two, actually.

But I wouldn't have been able to if I had been 17.

 

Funny you mention that, because it seems like once or twice a month, I hear a news story about a local teacher either having sex with children, or at least trying to. And I've heard more stories than I care to think about of teachers and school staff not only enabling and/or encouraging students to travel that road, but also conspiring to keep that knowledge away from their parents.

 

The fact that you think being a prude would have anything to do with it demonstrates your oversexualization of concept of trans people.

 

Well, that's the stupidest thing I've read all day. Of course, the day isn't over yet. My point in bringing that up was to point out that my objection to gender reassignment happening prior to a natural puberty is not because I'm some hard right-wing buybull thumper, and see, it says right here in this book. It's really just common sense.

 

This kid had "top surgery" at 13. No one saw this coming?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...urgery-13-Kaiser-Permanentes-2nd-lawsuit.html

 

Quit talking sex to kids and start talking academics.



Better choice, attend school board meetings,
Run for school board seats.
Return Public Education to Instruction, not Left Wing Indoctrination.

The Left is welcome to politically indoctrinate, with their own money, own facilities and parents willing to submit their children to it.

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That's actually a reasonable question, and I have thought about it. It seems like child abuse on one level, but to the extent that it really does reduce the risk of infection, and I accept that it does, and if the patient is locally anesthetized (he is), and if the parents and doctors aren't doing it just for their own gratification, then it seems as good as not. Doing it for purely religious reasons I do have an issue with, but those religious reasons, I think, are bound up with good faith health and hygiene concerns dating back millennia.

Should it be banned? Probably not, but if a majority of people in the state of X call for it and had reasonable reasons therefor, it wouldn't bother me. Circumcision does not fundamentally alter a person's reproductive system nor raise any questions about who or what the patient is after the procedure. It has no psychological impact. I never heard of a patient suing his doctor for circumcising him as a baby. Compare the detransitioners who deeply regret their surgery and are suing for damages.

All that said, it seems some of us are assuming that President Biden favors and has called for alteration surgery for minors. I don't think he ever quite said that and would be surprised if he did. There's reason to believe that he's really pretty conservative underneath that veneer of phony progressivism. He was friends with Strom Thurmond, after all -- What liberal would admit to being friends with Ted Cruz today? -- and his votes in favor of traditional marriage are well known and as recent as 2006! Who says he won't change his mind about the trans fad some day? Or even embrace traditional marriage again?

The therapies Biden wants made available federally and that would skirt state prohibitions are, I hope, "nothing more" than hormone treatments. Even that seems inappropriate for all the reasons already stated here, and monstrous for the federal government to be subsidizing and encouraging in the teeth of democratically enacted state prohibitions (I thought the left was all for preserving democracy, aka democrazy). But at least he's not calling for penis and breast chopping.

If I were king, there'd be no surgical sex alterations on minors, meaning under 21, period, and there'd be a lengthy waiting period for adults and a compulsory education program, just to make sure they really, really want to eliminate what nature established.

 

Not letting parents get a doctor to carve up perfectly healthy organs of children is "social engineering?" Besides, it's State action, anyone who does not like the laws in their State is guaranteed free movement to a State more to their liking, that will support slicing their kids up.

Fake News Reporterette Trying For A Sound Byte

 

It is impossible to oversexulize transgenders. They have been neutered.

 

lol, I really like that comic, but I have no idea what it has to do with your point. Well you mischaracterize the medical situation. I mean, didn't Jesus say that if your hand causes you to sin you should cut it off? So then should I say that christians are pro-mutilation? No, the point is that our bodies are tools for our own use. If somebody had a psychological condition where they enduringly prefer to be the other gender, that's unfortunate, but what we should do is whatever helps them by their OWN definitions in the long run. That's driven by data, not whether the biological tools we're discarding are "healthy" or not and not whether they are 18 or not. If data suggests early hormones are better or worse, the data should be followed.

 

Why do you bring the subject up in the first place, if is not a question that is posed to you? Teachers are not qualified or trained to get into the nuts and bolts of this issue. That's a job for a qualified psychiatrist or psychologist. This is especially true for young children most of whom are not attracted to the subject unless they are coached.

I have some familiarity with the game. I’ve known gay people who thought that just because they are gay, they think everyone is gay. That’s not the case. These transsexual advocates seem to more interested in recruitment that helping the small number of people who really do need help.

I understand that some gay groups are pushing back on this now. The chances of having this backfire by overstepping the bounds are increasing.

 

I think schools are a fine place to discuss gender identity. My mind is not going to be changed about schools being the right place to discuss it.

Schools are and should be about more than just math and science, schools are the correct place for us to socialize kids. Parent's aren't always going to like what is being discussed at schools, and i don't care.

 

Indoctrinate not teach is more like it.

 

Both.

 

What the Science on Gender-Affirming Care for Transgender Kids Really Shows
Laws that ban gender-affirming treatment ignore the wealth of research demonstrating its benefits for trans people’s health

The truth is that data from more than a dozen studies of more than 30,000 transgender and gender-diverse young people consistently show that access to gender-affirming care is associated with better mental health outcomes—and that lack of access to such care is associated with higher rates of suicidality, depression and self-harming behavior. (Gender diversity refers to the extent to which a person’s gendered behaviors, appearance and identities are culturally incongruent with the sex they were assigned at birth. Gender-diverse people can identify along the transgender spectrum, but not all do.) Major medical organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the Endocrine Society, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association, have published policy statements and guidelines on how to provide age-appropriate gender-affirming care. All of those medical societies find such care to be evidence-based and medically necessary.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ming-care-for-transgender-kids-really-shows/#

Biden is guided by the science. Repubs are guided by wedge politics.

 

Fake news. I have properly characterized the medical conversion therapy.

Take it to the Religion Board.

The discussion is children, not adults.

'Body integrity dysphoria (BID, also referred to as body integrity identity disorder, amputee identity disorder and xenomelia, formerly called apotemnophilia) is a mental disorder characterized by a desire to have a sensory or physical disability or having discomfort with being able-bodied beginning in early adolescence '

Sometimes folks with this condition think they are missing an arm, when actually they aren't. Would you support cutting off their arm so that their body matches their mental dysfunction?

Well, that's one of the problems, there are some data support issues with medical conversion therapy approach.

 

Child pregnancy is a life altering decision as well, neutering ones self only affects the individual,unwanted pregnancy and abortion ruin multiple lives. That story would be a lot different if in defiance the girl went an got pregnant at an early age trying to conform now wouldn't it?

Whats unconscionable is if a trans knows they dont want to experiance a period, or go through a pregnancy pretending like its up to the state to decide. Since when did Republicans decide the state knows better?

They can and do make those decisions. Kids make kids regularly and that's a bigger tragedy then self neutering. I say what business is it of ours. Especially since if they get pregnant, we won't take responsibility for the child.

Which is worse, a trans having an abortion, or a trans choosing to neuter themselves with their families support, cause they know they never want children, menstrual cramps, or the bleeding that comes with a period?

 

I'm not anti any of those things. Trans surgeries or abortions so i'm not sure what tree you are trying to bark up here. My problem with trans thing is the age. If you want them never to have periods that could be as young as 11 years old for some girls. Sorry man, that is SUS!
Can you guys be reasonable? I'm thinking 16 is a good age for them to know this. I also think thats reasonable. Hell in some states people can marry at that age and drive so why not?

 

Huh?

Are you somehow unaware of the reality that the state dictates that children are legally incapable of making numerous decisions in their life?

They cannot legally consent to sex because from a legal perspective their minds are not yet capable of making such a decision. They cannot legally purchase alcohol because it has been determined they are not capable of responsibly handling its effects. They cannot legally enter into a contract because it has been determined they are not capable of properly assessing a contract. They cannot legally get a tattoo without parental consent because they are not considered responsible enough to make such an irreversible decision. These are not Republican directives. They are well accepted societal directives.

To conclude that a pre-pubescent child is incapable of responsibly determining their gender and halting their puberty is hardly a new level of the state making decisions for the child. Hell, it is likely the least egregious of any of the examples provided.

For you to argue otherwise is truly shocking. Fortunately, there are not many people that support your position even amongst Democrat voters. It is good to know that not everyone has lost their ever-loving mind.

 

So you don't support DeSantis taking away kids.

 

I have to familiarize myself with that subject matter as I don't know the policy proposal specifics. do you have a non-biased link I can read?

 

Families, therapist, and a doctor, stop pretending like its JUST the child's decision. That's ridiculous.