Biden's misguided attempt to support trans gender children

The President has signed an executive order calling on the U.S. Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services to increase access to gender-affirming care and develop ways to counter state efforts aimed at limiting such treatments for transgender minors.

“My message to all the young people: Just be you,” Biden said to a crowd of members of Congress, administration officials and LGBTQ advocates. “You are loved. You are heard. You are understood. You do belong.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/15/biden-plan-transgender-youth-health-care-00039844

This is misguided at best, imperious, condescending, amd tyrannical at worst. No one --not a soul -- says that children with dysphoria "do not belong." No one says they are not loved. And it's an Order, not a law!

There are some people, and Biden is one of them, who think the federal government should be engaged in social engineering conducted from Washington, the state voters be damned.

This is exactly the kind of thing that is making Trump voters feel like no one in D.C. listens to them. It's a serious problem.

 

Mad Uncle Joe says... don't worry, the federal government will take away your kids, and transform them before your very eyes... And you won't be able to do anything about it. Fauci looks like he's jumping up and down raising his hand.....

 

The state efforts that this is designed to circumvent are ones in which parents are being DENIED the care that they want for their children. This isn't about "taking away" any kids or doing anything without parental consent.

 

I wonder if he said that to his crack head son.

 

I concede this point. But it is about overriding the will of the majority of voters in some states, and all on the supposed basis that "no one loves trans children except Washington bureacrats and President Joe Biden." We can't know, and Joe Biden for sure can't know, that a kid who is dysphoric now will remain so. There's probably a way to come back from a regimen of drugs. Surgery, not so much.

In some cases, the Federal government must step in to override majoritarian impulses. But this isn't one of them.

 

Do you believe that trans children exist?

 

Yes.

 

I've prefer for medical decisions to be up to the patient, their guardians, and their physician, not voters with no actual skin in the game who are just being nosey busy-bodies.

 

Do you think that starting hormone therapy before puberty is more effective than doing it after? Would a trans girl who got therapy before puberty present as more female as an adult, than one who started therapy at 18?

 

He actually had a recorded message for his addict son. You should listen to it. It's extremely uplifting.

 

yes, but there are probably not nearly as many trans (of any age) as these hysterical "conservatives" are driving to suicide. i think the 10% homosexual/heterosexual ratio of kinsey's studies might be high, and trans would be a small % of those.

 

I think I might have. I'm not saying a parent shouldn't love their crack head children, but the message cited wouldn't be something that would apply to his kid.

 

Yes, I believe that trans people do exist and of course at one point they were children. Do you believe that some children mistakenly believe themselves to be trans and then change their minds when they are adults as their perspective on the world blossoms?

 

I wanted medical care in the form of vodka and weed when I was a teenager, do you think that was provided to me?? To the contrary, every effort was taken to prevent me from getting it, including laws prohibiting it.

I agree with Biden about one thing... You do you. But when I say that which is actually quite frequently, I am talking to and about adults. When I was 6 or 7, I went through a phase where I either thought I was Underdog, wanted to be him/it, or both. How do you think it might have affected my life to date if my parents had surgically altered me to appear dog like, and given me a cape?

I endorse consenting adults to do whatever they want to themselves, and with other consenting adults. If you want to get a dickectomy, by all means, assuming you have the means, go for it. But not only am I opposed to it for anyone not of age, my position has been moving in the opposite direction and hardening, as I had previously, and not so long ago, endorsed the use of hormones and drugs for minors, under the theory that they were reversable. But if you don't allow a child to go through a normal puberty process, then making permanent life-long changes dealing with gender and sexuality to a person who is not sexually mature is insane!!

 

Yes, but i still support allowing trans kids to medically transition before puberty.

I think we need to come up with some way to make sure the child really is trans, but if a child is trans, that transition should take place before puberty.

 

I don't agree that that is "all" they are being. They are legitimately concerned that there is a fetishization of dysphoria afoot and they don't want it mainstreamed in their culture, much less mandated by Joe Biden , a dishonest and cynical mediocrity if there ever was one, and Washington bureacrats.

Bill Maher has pointed out the recent and conspicuous stampede of people into "gender affirming care clinics", I think is the woke way to say it, and he's into something. Where in the world did all these trans kids come from? Is there a possibility that they aren't really trans and instead are just going through adolescence? It passes.

It reminds me of the stampede of drunks into rehab clinics in the 80s. It became cool to be a drunk because everyone suddenly had to recognize you as having fallen victim to the disease of addiction, which utterly relieved one of responsibility. You aren't a menace, you are a victim. And you are loved. "Poor Joe killed a kid with his car. He's sick you know." Yes. He's also a sot. What was also going on, of course, was a stampede into the lucrative "profession" of addiction counseling.

A similar thing happened in the 90s when every kid who couldn't pay attention in class was hastily diagnosed as ADHD. Some did have the disorder, of course, but suddenly EVERYONE was at least suspected of it.

Transgenderism exists, yes. It's also a cool fad at this point.

 

Before puberty??

God help us.

 

It's the only time where it's actually effective. After puberty, it's really too late.

 

The problem is that there is not a means of "really" knowing if they are trans. Sexuality is confusing enough for some children, and their gender is surely much more difficult to grasp. How does a gay boy who likes men differentiate between him being a woman that likes men? That is a HUGE decision for a child that has not finished puberty and in the midst of a highly confusing juncture in life.

IMO, it is absolutely unconscionable to allow a child to make that sort of determination as they are just entering puberty. It is preposterous to believe they are in any position to make that determination.

I happen to have some friends that have a child that one day claimed they are trans around age 13. It is a girl, and she had a history of severe depression along with a few suicide attempts that were probably not true attempts, but she is clearly troubled regardless. One day she came home and had apparently been speaking with some sort of transition counselor and determined she is a boy, and in a short amount of time they wanted to start her on hormone therapy. The parents refused, and the counselors made them out to be the devil as a result. Well, that phase passed, and this girl no longer thinks of herself as a boy. She is in college now, and has had a boyfriend for about 2 years at this point. I am not saying this is not still a troubled girl because she is, but at this juncture it is definitely a good thing the parents did not go along with the hormone regimen that they were told to do.

Children are simply not in a position to be able to make those types of life-altering decisions.

 

Probably the most incisive observation yet.

And I'd like Joe Biden to answer that question.

 

I don't think it's something that we shouldn't try to figure out.

 

Figure out how?

The only means of figuring out anything is the words from the child, but the child is in no position to be able to evaluate such a life-altering decision. If there were an accurate objective test to determine such a thing that would be great, but until that time, to let a child make that decision is truly unconscionable.

If you wanted to provide them gender counseling until they are adults, I would have no problem with that, but to mess with their puberty while still children is a bridge too far.

 

Your parents wanted that for you and a physician approved it? Weird. It's either that or you didn't read the post you quoted.

 

That's part of what we need to figure out.

But if you believe trans people are real, then the only way to really give them what they need, is to start their transition before puberty.

 

I don't have to read it. You are endorsing gender altering surgery for children. For me, that's a non-starter and puts your character into deep question. That this is even being discussed is beyond all belief, last I checked you needed parental consent to even get a tattoo, which is hardly life shattering, unless you put on some nazi comment (and I mean the REAL nazis, not the ones you guys see behind every tree today), or on your neck, face, or hands.

That might put your future employment possibilities into the category of 'Do you want fries with that'. If you're lucky!