Boy Scout leader arrested for; guess what to little boys?

Sec comes up with his numbers by looking at the percentage of child molestation victims who are boys (around 20-30%) while ignoring the fact a number of them are abused by women, ignoring the fact that most of the men who molest boys identify as heterosexual and are often in adult heterosexual relationships, and working on the laughable premise that an openly gay man who molests a girl would be "heterosexual" as per his statistics.

 

There is no evidence that that is the case at all.

This is just your usual BS statistics.

 

They are made up numbers.

Unless you can show that the molesters who assault little boys are also homosexuals as adults, then your numbers are pure BS.

Jerry Sandusky is my regular example- open heterosexual man who molested little boys.

You abuse statistics to assume that all child molesters who assault little boys are homosexuals- which is just abuse of statistics.

 

This is about how I figure he came to his conclusions as well.

 

Thats how I feel.

THE only reason I have reservations about the death penalty for convicted monsters like Sandusky is because we have far too many examples of innocent people given the death penalty. If I could be assured that no innocent person was ever to executed, I would be solidly for it.

So lock them away for a long, long time- they can't cause any harm, and if there is an error in conviction we can still restore their freedom.

 

That's my reservation on the death penalty as well Jeff, but I think we can agree here that there is NO doubt to Sandusky's guilt. The son of a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) did it. Execute him.

 

If you dont have a kid in the troop.....Any old dude who wants to hang out with little kids is kinda michael jackson creepy.

 

Man, that is an unfair statement. Some people just enjoy mentoring. And if you don't have of your own...... Not all older men who want to mentor kids are creepers.

Now if that old dude is always wanting to be alone with the kids and such, yeah probably time to call timeout.

Like I said, it's all about appropriate. We have tons of kids over to the house all the time. The kids enjoy getting in the pull and trying to push me under, sometimes , as kids do , they get too boisterous and I've had little boys hit me in the nuts and little girls try to pull my swimming trunks off. stuff like that, it happens. The key is though, I don't EVER and I mean NEVER do anything alone with them. If I'm in the pool with them, there parents are somewhere near by or at the very least my wife is right there to.

Yes, I agree if I was inviting little kids over to go swimming with just me, that would be creepy.

 

But you can't understand why any man would choose to hang around kids.

Yeah- why does that whole Big Brother program exist at all?

I mean why would any male want to be around little kids except to molest them..........seriously is this the way people think? Is this an exclusively whacky far right fringe view or is this mainstream right think?

 

In 1977, Sandusky founded The Second Mile, a non-profit charity serving Pennsylvania underprivileged and at-risk youth.[4] After Sandusky retired as assistant coach at Penn State, he continued working with The Second Mile at Penn State; even maintaining an office at Penn State until 2011.

In 2011, following a two-year grand jury investigation, Sandusky was arrested and charged with 52 counts of sexual abuse of young boys over a 15-year period.[5] He met his molestation victims through The Second Mile, who were children participating in the organization, and several of them testified against Sandusky in his sexual abuse trial. Four of the charges were subsequently dropped. On June 22, 2012, Sandusky was found guilty on 45 of the 48 remaining charges.[6][7] Sandusky was sentenced on October 9, 2012 to 30 to 60 years in prison.[8] On October 18, 2012, Sandusky's lawyers appealed his conviction in Centre County Court in Pennsylvania. They claim that they did not have enough time to prepare for their client's case.[9] On October 31, 2012, Sandusky was moved to Pennsylvania's SCI Greene "supermax" prison to serve his sentence.[10] On January 30, 2013, Pennsylvania Judge John Cleland denied Sandusky's request for a new trial.[11]

 

What a sad view. In my childhood, the "old dudes" who would take the time to teach me their wisdom and skills gave me much of my most valuable life skills and wisdom.

What sexual abuse I suffered (and the same is true of the other sexual abuse victims I have worked with in support groups) was at the hands of "nice married men with kids" or religious figures and immediate family.

The idiotic propaganda generated by the homophobic hate of the Right that "panting homosexuals are going to get yer kids" is simply absurd. Most pedophiles (the truly successful ones) get VERY good cover to get their access to children, so religion and families are their preferred hiding place.

 

In 1977, Sandusky founded The Second Mile, a non-profit charity serving Pennsylvania underprivileged and at-risk youth.[4] After Sandusky retired as assistant coach at Penn State, he continued working with The Second Mile at Penn State; even maintaining an office at Penn State until 2011.

In 2011, following a two-year grand jury investigation, Sandusky was arrested and charged with 52 counts of sexual abuse of young boys over a 15-year period.[5] He met his molestation victims through The Second Mile, who were children participating in the organization, and several of them testified against Sandusky in his sexual abuse trial. Four of the charges were subsequently dropped. On June 22, 2012, Sandusky was found guilty on 45 of the 48 remaining charges.[6][7] Sandusky was sentenced on October 9, 2012 to 30 to 60 years in prison.[8] On October 18, 2012, Sandusky's lawyers appealed his conviction in Centre County Court in Pennsylvania. They claim that they did not have enough time to prepare for their client's case.[9] On October 31, 2012, Sandusky was moved to Pennsylvania's SCI Greene "supermax" prison to serve his sentence.[10] On January 30, 2013, Pennsylvania Judge John Cleland denied Sandusky's request for a new trial.[11]

 

See I have no problem with that- but here is the kicker- we aren't supposed to convict ANYONE if there is any doubt- but we still do. Sandusky's case was publicized enough so that I have no doubt, but there will inevitably be someone wrongfully convicted where there is far less national publicity.

 

The Boytoy Scouts are just following their new motto, Semper Fruitis, which is Latin for "Leave No Child's Behind."

 

True, but heterosexual men are still 15 times more likely to molest girls than women are to molest little boys. It's all relative I guess.

 

little boys love carnivals, thats why michael jackson built one in his front yard....




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It doesn't have anything to do with left right. It has to do with once again creepy morons have ruined things for everyone.

I would humbly suggest that I am a good role model for children and that children can and do benefit from being around me, and that most of the parents of children that do come to our house know me and would agree with that statement.

Even so, I would imagine that most of those parents would be quite uncomfortable if it were suggested that I hang out with their kids alone.

And those parents run the gamut from ultra liberal to ultra conservative. But protecting ones children comes before politics. Intellectually they all know I would never harm their child, and would indeed even protect them with my life if need be; but well we all know why we're careful in that way.

It's really no different than I KNOW the kids and their parents, and I KNOW that none of them would ever falsely accuse me of anything like that , but still I don't put myself in the position to test that.

 

Your reply sadly illustrates the state of mind of the homophobe and how utterly ABSURD your suggestions are!

Sandusky was NOT a "homosexual" in ANY terms of what YOU specified - i.e. an "old man" who hung around children!

He was quite apparently HAPPILY MARRIED with his OWN children, a SUCCESSFUL CAREER, status etc. He would PASS ANY backround check ANY group does today!

The homophobe-suggested societal INSANITY is a COMPLETE FAIL!

Well, when a man who appears to be a boy builds a carnival in his yard to attract children to sleepovers where they share a bed with him, you are welcome to be as suspicious as you like!

 

A homophobe would be a person who feared homosexuals. Its' doubtful that even a small percentage of people who you label as such fear homosexuals.

 

nice try at a spin

I've posted resources too many times to count because the homosexual defenders don't like facts

it is estimated about the number of pedophile cases each year. Sadly, it's probably higher

you then take all cases and even the leftist study showed 40% of pedophiles say they engage in gay sex

with 8 million adult homosexuals, and 220 million adult heterosexuals, i simply made it 2/3 and 1/3 vs 60% and 40%

so, 3 million, divided by 3. 2/3 goes to hetero and 1/3 homo

2 million cases perpetrated by heterosexuals (the high number always cited by the homosexual pedophile supporters)

1 million cases perpetrated by homosexuals

it's when you do the population comparison when it becomes downright disturbing

1 in 8 vs 1 in 110

commence spin

 

Please back up your facts. A "I have posted them before " doesn't cut it. Post a link to a reputable study that proves your statistical claims.

 

So you were a victim of HOMOSEXUAL CHILD MOLESTATION? Why do you then refuse to call these animals what they are? Why do you pretend "that isn't homosexual behavior"?

 

search is your friend. You are welcome to search all of my posts as I've provided the links too many times as have others

you know what you can do with your demands don't you?

 

I love my older brother. I've slept with him, kissed him, lived with him. It is a wholesome, non-sexual relationship. Only ONE THING in the entire universe has to change in order for it to become a vibrant homosexual relationship- We have to have sex with each other.

If you understand then that what makes a homosexual is the "sexual" part, you should understand that the sex drive of a homosexual plays a different role than it does to most heterosexuals.

It is the difference that the sex drive makes to one and not usually the other, that makes it likely unreasonable to allow homosexuals into either the Scouts or into the military unless there would be "Gay-only companies or platoons".

 

There's no spin in pointing out your logical absurdities..

If you replaced "homosexual" with "bisexual", you may be somewhat closer to saying something with a glimmer of truth to it. The fact you label anyone who has ever engaged in homosexual activity "homosexual" in your calculations is asinine at best and DANGEROUS SLANDER at worst.

The flaws in your methodology are so (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) blatant I cannot comprehend someone with so much as an OUNCE of common sense agreeing...

The first flaw is assuming all the perpetrators are male. Women are estimated to be responsible for anywhere between 5% to 25% of child molestation incidents:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_child_molesters

The gender of the victims of female child abuse are predominately male, of course. So right off your numbers are wrong.

The second flaw is viewing it as being heterosexuals versus "those who engage in gay sex"- or simply non-heterosexuals... blatantly ignoring the bisexual spectrum which has nothing to do with homosexuals. Under your methology, a man who has sex with women 99% of the time and males 1% of the time falls into the asinine "non-heterosexual" category. As does the man who has sex with men 99% of the time and females 1% of the time.

Can you not see the problem with that?

Makes as much sense as me saying that either of them are "non-homosexual" because they both have sex with women albeit to vastly different degrees.

If you want to get technical, start saying bisexuals instead of homosexuals, because homosexuals DO NOT have a statistically higher rate of abusing kids than heterosexuals.