Can a Christian lose their salvation? Or, are there former Christians?

I do thank you for pointing out, as I have, that this was a simple accident. I hope Quantrill gets that by now. But do you have anything to offer the discussion? You'll have to choose between being a peacemaker and having an opinion.

 

Still waiting on response.

If everyone is finished playing their games.

Quantrill

 

This is just a vocabulary difference, Catholics call it an initial act of grace when the Holy Spirit quickens a person's heart so that they are open to the light of Christ. Faith is a gift, but it doesn't require divesting one's free will to receive it.

 

Vocabulary difference? That means something. Means there is a difference.

Quantrill

 

Are you serious? You don't think there is more than one way to say the same thing? What, are we back in second grade now? I'm having such a difficult time having a discussion with you because of the stupid semantic games you're playing. I'm beginning to agree with others here that it's just not worth my time trying to discuss anything with you.

 

Sorry, faith and grace are two words because they mean two different things.

Agree with whoever you like.

Quantrill

 

1. I already did something.
2. false dilemma.

I generally agree with Quantrill that there are no former Xns and I had already expressed my view in a secular form in a previous topic. Here I have been just scrolling and not having time. and I agree with his faith wise point above,... not sure about other things I did not get in...

...And I told you that I am not a peacemaker... but I am glad to see some results of my making..

 

is that a 'gotcha'?

how is that?

what is the spirit?

nothing magical as magic aint real. it aint spiritual either. magic is not an option except to a liar that spins the lies.

i know the liars by what they do

and so far most all your posts represent lies not 'spiritual'. It is why you are unreachable because you will hold the fib before truth as if it was natural.




...as in a fool 'in' his folly...[and), unfortunately you tasting that truth wont stop the regurgitation coming out of your pike.

 

Is it the stupidest post you have ever made or I missed something?
Cheer up, brother... just a little bit... you really need to... what is the main message of Xty, the message of IX expressed in one word? What would that be for you?
For me it is : REJOICE!

 

lots of holee spirit between you 3

 

we take it from the expert in holee spirit...

 

the dali lama?

 

Look whom we have posting here... your holeeness.

 

No, you didn't miss anything.

I don't need cheering up. I don't need your refreeing.

Quantrill

 

1.So you really think it was the stupidest...
2.I never asked if you did
3. I never offered one.

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You tried to play one..

Quantrill

 

it some versions of the bible it says that whatever Peter holds to be true on earth will be held true in heaven. The Catholics use this "Right of Infabability", as I call it, as the basis for their believe that the Pope is infalible while sitting on the Chair of Saint Peter.

 

Please do point me in the direction of a Bible version that uses that language.

 

And this has WHAT to do with the OP?

 

I was merely pointing out that the language used in the post that I quoted is not the only language used.

 

I use the New King James as a matter of preference. It's the language style that suits me best.

 

Aren't you Catholic? If so, then may I suggest the Douay Rheims Bible?

 

I believe you are referring to binding and loosing. "Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven." All Biblical versions say virtually the same thing on the matter. Protestants and Catholics just interpret that passage differently.

 

Concerning Christs statement to Peter in Matt. 16:23 is Christ recognizing that Satan was behind Peters staement. It doesn't place Peter in an unfallen state. It does show how believers can be used of Satan against the things of God. A serious warning to be sure.

Concerning 2Peter 2:1-22 These spoken of are false teachers.

2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in (*)(*)(*)(*)able heresies, even denying the Lord that brought swift destruction,

2:14 Having eyes full of adultry,and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray...

Then in verse 18 we see a shift from the false teachers to those who the false teachers are decieving.

2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

These being addressed are not Christians but are those who have escaped from these false teachers and are aligning themselves with Christians. They have bettered themselves in that they are cleaning up their lives, but they have not been born-again. They, as I said in an earlier post, are in the kingdom of heaven, but not the Church. They are religious but not saved.

But the false teachers allure these away who have experienced a form of santification, identifying with believers.

2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption:...

2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the begining.

These have knowledge of the Lord Jesus but have not come to the Lord Jesus. They are not Christians but have gotten themseslves clean through religious Christian knowledge. They don't have the new life and eternal life given by faith in Christ. And because of this they are suseptible to the false teachers and follow after them. Religious cleaning up is not enough. And the result is they return to the uncleanness of the world which they had before gotten out of.

2:21-22 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

The dog never ceased to be a dog. The sow never ceased to be a sow. Believers in Scripture are referred to many times as sheep, but never a dog or sow. These are unclean animals. Its not a picture of one who is saved and a Christian. Its a picture of those who have identified with Christianity in a religious manner but never knowing Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. Never having the eternal life by the Spirit. Thus when they fall back to the lure of the false and the world, their latter end is worse.

Quantrill

 

where did jesus state that mr false preacher?

there ARE/were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in (*)(*)(*)(*)able heresies,

we got you right here on this forum

These being addressed are quite often Christians

ie....often the best examples of anti-christ can be found observing christians

.....honesty before lying to themselves

you have been identifying with believers than argue with them

you're being the example of what 2 peter on


The dog never ceased to be a dog. The sow never ceased to be a sow.

ie... a person willing to lie to themselves will lie to anyone else


go lay by your dish