Can I convince PF's resident truthers that American 77 hit the Pentagon?

RtWngaFraud, I would strongly suggest that you devote the time and resources necessary for a thorough study and analysis of the ASCE Pentagon performance report:

http://www.asce.org/Product.aspx?ID=2147485891

The ASCE Pentagon Performance report contains more than 150 color photographs, diagrams, and tables, that provide for a thorough scientific analysis of the mechanism of damage and structural systemics of the Pentagon. The ASCE report is a must read for anyone who is trying to make objective conclusions about the 9/11 attacks regardless of what they might believe became of flight 77 or how the pentagon came to be damaged. Who knows RtWngaFraud.... You might even find the analysis and conclusions put forth in the ASCE report to be plausible and compelling. At a minimum, the data, analysis and conclusions put forth in the report is far more substanative than either of the links you have provided that contain little more than images of damage at the pentagon.

 

The aircraft was powered by two Pratt & Whitney PW2000 turbofans developing around 40,000ib of trust each with an exhaust temp of above 700 deg C.
At a range of 12 inches above the ground, amazing flying skills for a lousy pilot, that'd singe a blade of grass or two.

 

The building is around 77 feet tall, the aircraft, 44.
The original hole, not much more than 15.
Perhaps the OP can explain where the other 25 or 30 feet of aircraft went to.
That takes care of the body and tail. Perhaps he could also point out the two ruddy great holes that weren't caused when the two engines hit the building.

 

I find it very convenient your linked picture is extremely poor quality, and the writing happens to be right over the main entrance hole. The intellectual dishonesty of truthers on this forums is absolutely astounding.

http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/

Already covered on my blog, and the previous two pages of this forum. Do try and catch up.

 

Actually they were powered by two Rolls Royce RB211-535's. Do you know Hani Hanjour had a 737 type endorsement? CPL MECIR with hundreds of hours of experience. When did you get yours?

Your argument is nonsense, a strawman to avoid the fact that 100% of the evidence proves AA77 hit the Pentagon. I've linked you the blog twice now. And twice you have bought up strawman claims which have answers on the blog. Perhaps you should avoid Fraud's approach and actually look at the blog before spending 17 pages trying to discredit it, hmmm?

 

I don't read government produced propaganda anymore. They had their chance. They LIED......repeatedly.

 

The report was produced by the ASCE, not the gov't. Whether you agree with it or not the report is the most substanative and compelling analysis of flight 77s impact on the pentagon and the resulting damage. Its unfortunate that your own bias' and prejudices impinge upon your ability to objectively analyze source material.

 

Fraud thinks ASCE is a government controlled organisation. Cute. I guess that must be your only explanation as to why not one of their 125,000 structural engineers agree with 9/11 conspiracy claims

 

No, they did not lie about what happened on the ground that day. They lied about their plans to correct the situation. This has nothing to do with the ASCE report. Anyuone who had worked even as a common laborer in construction or fought a structural fire knows that their report on the Pentagon is spot-on.

I know that it is to a CTer what holy water is to a vampire, but so be it. If you do not read it, you have no way of arguing against what it concludes.

Do you expect to be respected when you make counter-intuitive statements in the presence of those who actually know something about what happened and what was reported?

 

Did the "ASCE" get ANY of their information from "official" sources? Yes or no?

 

I know anything that is counter to the "official" propaganda is like holy water to a vampire when debating shills. The "official" story is BS. You know it. I know it. So who are we BSing here?

 

No.

This you would know if you actually went to the source.

Research isn't your strong suit, huh? Unless your cult leaders (Gage and Jones and Letsroll) tell you what to think, you just bump into the walls.

 

As a veteran fire fighter, I see no flaw in their report, and I see smelly greenish-brown organic matter dripping from every criticism of the report. Upon investigation, I have usually found that the critics offering such counterpoints are lunatics, Nazis or anarchists with zero applicable credentials.

When you get a body of fire fighters criticising the ASCE report, you might have something. As it is, you have the bleating of CT sheeple and the trickery of enemies of humanity.

 

Admittedly, whatever shills advocate, I tend to disregard.

 

Fortunately, not all firefighters share your point of view.

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

 

All the firefighters that were on the scene do.

 

Erik Lawyer vis a rookie and a lunatic, and I would not trust him to operated a hydrant, let alone to examine the scene for evidence. How that doofus got of the Seattle FD is beyond mt.

Most importantly, like Hannibal pointed out, he wasn't there. He does not have daily contact with anyone who was there. If he ran his mouth at anyone who was there, he would probably come home in no condition to serve any longer as a fire fighter.

 

Yeah...I know....same old...same old. Everybody that doesn't "go along" is a kook. Heard it once or twice here.

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Lemmings...too afraid to speak up.

 

The ASCE engineers did an independant analysis of a comprehensive and multifaceted data set. Some of the information analyzed in their report came from the gov't though much of it did not. Im not sure why you would assume that everything from an official source is dubious without even bothering to analyze it yourself as that seems to be a very subjective Line of reasoning. I would strongly suggest you review the numerous independant scientific publications concerning the structures compromised in the 9 11 attacks as they unanimously refute conspiracy hypothesis'.

 

The FDNY are lemmings and cowards?
Is there anyone who isn't 'in on it' in your mind?

 

Real men know better than that. You cannot intimidate a dying man to keep quiet about his murder when he knows hew has brothers who will have his back.

 

Sure you can....you just threaten his surviving family before he dies. He'll keep quit.

 

I know that this is a foreign concept to you, but real men do not act that way. They fight back. Anyone that villanous is a threat to their families whether they fight or cringe, so why not fight? When you talk about FDNY, you are talking about some of the ballsiest mofos to ever drag hose. You slander a bunch of real heros.

 

Not everyone is as cowardly as a truther.

 

There are FDNY hose draggers that don't subscribe to the "official" events. They're the ones with decency, morality, and integrity. The others are (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

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Many are cowardly enough to kill 3000 people in one day, and they sit at the very highest positions of our government.