Can I convince PF's resident truthers that American 77 hit the Pentagon?

LoL I find it hilarious you tell me to "be a man" when you go around accusing innocent people of the murders of thousands. The evidence has been shoved down your throat by the "debunkers" and you have absolutely no ability to "be a man and admit" that 9/11 was done by radical muslims. Nice personal attack though. I don't "dislike" you, I don't care about you. You're insignificant in my life. Outside of these boards that I post on during downtime at work, you don't exist in my life. Also, considering the others that post "opposite of me", I openly hope they dislike me.

 

Nice subject change. So I take it you will not admit it?

And since when do I "go around accusing innocent people of the murders of thousands"? Al Qaeda were on the planes, right? They did the acts. I've said that several times now. What's the disconnect?

 

Due to not being hypocritical, I'll let this thread go back to topic. Which is the fact that cj's massive collection of information proves beyond any reasonable doubt that 77 hit the pentagon. Something that can not be refuted. That aside, we can discuss the petty BS in chat.

If you believe LIHOP or MIHOP though, that means you are accusing people of murder. Those people are not the terrorists.

 

As for air defenses at the pentagon, mobile stinger batteries were deployed around DC following the 9/11 attacks. The most probable reasoning for not having them in place before 9/11 is that NEADs combat air patrol was thought to be sufficient given the threat environment and a deployed SAM battery is a threat to civilian air traffic (there have been a number of 'blue on blue' incidents of fratricide involving air defenses in Iraq).

The inability of the military to intercept the highjacked flights is not necessarily surprising given the nature of the attacks, the inherent difficulty of identifying, tracking and coordinating an intercept in crowded airspace with a limited number of combat ready fighters and an aerial refueling capability. Modern fighters need to refuel every hour or so thus NEADS was hesitant to scramble all available fighters simultaneously as this likely would have precluded NEADs from maintaining a sustained CAP over the east coast and/or prevented them from responding to subsequent highjackings. Its also important to note that aside from a shoot down order the CinC, VP or SofD are not responsible for decision making at the tactical level.

 

Following on from the above post, I think it needs to be emphasised that the military did the best they possibly could in the circumstances. Remember of course that the only way NEADS was getting information at all was through 'unofficial' channels. On 9/11 it was the job of the FAA HQ to inform NEADS and keep them in the loop. No one was doing it. The only way NEADS found out about American 11 was via Joe Cooper from Boston TMU, and that was moments after Dan Bueno broke protocol and called Cape Cod TRACON to try and scramble Otis ANGB direct. NEADS only found out about American 11 nine minutes before it impacted the North Tower. They had no forewarning of UA175, no forewarning of AA77, and no forewarning of UA93. Out of anyone, Colin Scoggins from Boston was the only one feeding information to NEADS. FAA HQ knew of American 77 inbound to DC after Dulles TRACON spotted him at 0924, and they still didn't inform NEADS. Again, the only way NEADS found out is via Scoggins at 0934, who was on a TELCOM with FAA and who heard them talking about the 'target' 6 miles southeast of the White House. Which of course was far too late for them by then. UA93 NEADS only found out about by accident after it had already crashed. The lines of communication on 9/11 between the military, FAA and ATC were shocking. The lines of communication between NSA, FBI, and CIA prior to 9/11 were even worse. In reflection of all this, I find it unfair for people (particularly truthers) to incorrectly pin blame on NEADS for 'failing' on 9/11 when in reality they did the best they possibly could with the severely limited information they were receiving, and having to deal with targets which attempted to disappear into the blog of 3000 other commercial aircraft over the eastern US.

 

GEEZUS...what a load of crap. Dumping it all on the FAA is rather rich.

There's a simpler explanation. STAND DOWN. Confuse "real world" with war games. AA77 (so goes the story at least) flew around the country on a scenic cruise for quite a bit. It was tracked well before it got to Washington (if you are to believe the "official" reports). Bush well knew about the "planes into buildings" scenarios (since they were running those exact "simulations" simultaneously). It's rather obvious that someone or some entity directly and intentionally interfered with "routine operations" of the FAA that day. Gimme a break.

 

Yet again you're off the mark by more than a leap. You cannot provide evidence of said "stand down". You have never even listened to the NEADS tapes, so how would you know. You do not know their contents, so how would you know? You run with idiot claims of 'confused' war games because you refuse to learn any better. I have already corrected you on both these claims, but you didn't read them, you ignore facts and continue on your path of fantasy. Trolls do that. Are you a troll Fraud? I'd like to think you're not, but when you constantly refuse to acknowledge proven facts and continue down the road of repeating debunked fantasy, it leaves me wondering who or what I am dealing with exactly.

AA77 flew around the country.. what a moronic claim, even your you. It turned over Ohio and heading straight for DC. If flying in a straight line is 'flying around the country' then your understanding of 9/11 is worse than I first thought. Tracked before it got to Washington, who'd have thought.. oh wait, maybe because I just told you? Yes, it was, at 0924 (can you tell me by who?). You missed the point of the post. I stated, quite correctly, that even though it was tracked, no one told NEADS.

So you acknowledge that AA77 was flying towards DC? You acknowledge it was tracked all the way. Yet, you dismiss totally that AA77 hit the Pentagon. What happened to AA77 Fraud? Did it fly into a wormhole? A tear in the space-time continuum? Or is this where you take a mix of dozens of different theories and run with it? Never daring to link them into any kind of coherent narrative? The conspiracy equivalent of throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks? MIHOP mixed with LIHOP topped with MIHOP and a bit of LIHOP on the side?

Breakdown in communication. It is fact. But you don't deal in facts, you deal in woo, unable to provide a shred of evidence. 14 pages of comments on this thread, you've provided not one piece of evidence. Gimme a break, and learn some ******* facts.

 

I personally believe 77 flew over the Pentagon and kept on going while the global hawk or something else blew the little hole in the side of the Pentagon before it fell. I have no proof of that but, that's what some theorize.

Breakdown in communication my azz....picking up the phone is real difficult I guess? Nonsense. There was protocol established for scenarios like that. It was derailed, and not by the FAA. Sorry....that makes no sense. They didn't simply "sit" on the information or remain dumbfounded as to what was happening and NOT relay that information. That's total BS.

 

The hole in the pentagon was NOT 'little' fraud,the sooner you stop repeating that lie,the better.

 

More than one hundred witnesses to AA77 impacting the Pentagon, not one witness to anything flying over the Pentagon.

 

Yes Fraud, breakdown in communication happens when you sit on information, expected that someone else who also has that information has 'picked up the phone' and let the appropriate people know. Never been to a car accident? After one happens, you see a dozen people on their cell phones talking. Is is safe to assume therefore that at least one of those dozen people have called the emergency services and is talking to them? No, because chances are none of them have, and they're on their phone to their mum/boyfriend/mate telling them whats happened/explaining why they may be late home. A breakdown in communication, not because no one 'picked up the phone', but because everyone assumed that everyone else had already let people know. I talked to Colin Scoggins a couple of months ago, and he told me that after the fact, he found out he was pretty much the only person feeding information to NEADS. During 9/11, he told me he tried to contact them as little as he could because he assumed a dozen other people were also contacting them with the same information. As it turns out, he was the only one!

 

The hole wasn't large enough to match up with a 757 either. Oh...that's right, the plane evaporated, melted, or whatever. No 757 hit that building. That's the bottom line.

 

That lie won't wash either,fraud....the hole WAS big enough for a 756.

THATS the bottom line.

 

Everything you say in the above sentence is false.

The evidence proves your cult wrong.

 

Got math? A don't trust Stubblebine's words. He lost his marbles while he was still on active duty.

 

AFTER the rest of the building collapsed perhaps. NOT before.

 

Well, according to the team...anybody who doesn't summarily agree 100% with the "official" BS story is nuts so...it's a convenient out for the team and it fits the bullet points.

 

Yes it was,before, during AND after.....You have no proof showing otherwise

 

He thought he could kill a goat by looking at it the right way, walk through walls without damaging them, and read over somebody's shoulder fro a thousand miles away. He screwed around on his wife and then quit his paid job to play house with his bimbo and told the judge he did not have enough income to pay alimony to his criticly ill wife while she was fighting cancer.

Dude's a whacko and a total dirt bag.

 

You believe that a global hawk or something else hit the pentagon but you readily admit that there is no evidence to support this belief. As such you are admitting that your conclusion is not based on any evidence. I'm curious as to why you would choose to make conclusions about what hit the pentagon that are independent of any evidence or proof? Why not use the evidence to inform your conclusions rather than using your conclusions to inform you analysis of the evidence?

 

He doesn't know enough about missiles or explosives to concoct his own fairy tale. None of that lot do.

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He doesn't know enough about missiles or explosives to concoct his own fairy tale. None of that lot do.

 

There was initially a 16 foot hole in the Pentagon. There were no wings...there were no wing marks on the lawn, or on the building anywhere. There were no marks like engines, wings, tail sections 48 foot tali sections and titanium engines).
A 16 foot round hole is the only damage prior to the rest of it collapsing. That pretty much tells the story.

 

You're not telling the truth,fraud...you're omitting a lot

 

Wrong again, Fraud. Damage was done to exterior columns along a 75 foot stretch along the front of the Pentagon. See the ASCE report, as well as the independent investigation done by Purdue.

 

Totally not a true story. Totally pulled out of the lower torso of a senile horndog, a French felon and a Nazi piece of crap.

Any old Air Force hose dragger or construction worker could tell you that this mark had to have been made by something about the size of an airliner wing, and that there is no way on earth that it was done by any single missile warherad of any kind that functions in this time/space continuum.