Can You Believe in God and Evolution?

What do you base your claim on Quantril?

 

Do you believe that all Muslim people freely choose false doctrine? Or do you think that cultural, familial, and regional influences may have an effect on one's ability to freely choose their religious dogma?

 

There was no black stone used to build any alter to Abaraham. The Kabbah existed in the 'days of ignornace' along with the black stone before Muhammed.

Muhammed just incorporated these into his false revelations. And you Arabs bought it. Of course.

Isaac was the child of promise. Correct? Not Ishamael. Correct? Please answer this Margot.

And, was Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of the living God. And in Him alone is salvation found?

Quantrill

 

You attack Bible believing Christianity and always defend Islam. Why, because your Muslim.

Quantrill

 

Ishmael was Abraham's first born son.

 

If you worshipped the God of Abrahm then you would recognize that Isaac was the child of promise and not Ishamael. Do you recognize this?

If you worshipped the God of Abraham then you would recognize that Jesus Christ was the only begotten Son of God, and only way to be right with God.

The Bible disputes you. Not me.

Quantrill

 

How do you define that?

 

Have you been reading whats been said. Why should you ask?

Quantrill

 

Well, for whatever reason they are Muslim, they are wrong. Do you agree?

Quantrill

 

Ishmael was Abraham's first born son and he had 12 sons and a daughter of his own.. You would call them GENTILES.

 

Who cares. Isaac was the child of promise, not Ishamael. Do you agree?

And, is Jesus Christ the only Begotten Son of the living God. And, the only Saviour of man?

Quantrill

 

Hebrew writers claim Isaac was.. According to the Jews Ishmael, the firstborn, was the grandson of Pharoah.

 

Again, who cares. Isaac was the child of promise. Correct? In Isaac were the promises of God which God gave to Abraham, passed down to. Correct?

And Jesus Christ is the only Begotten Son of God, correct? And the only way to be right with God. Correct?

Quantrill

 

I believe Muslims are wrong, but I think the REASON matters to God--and I leave it to God to judge. The same is true of homosexuals. One can sincerely believe in God, and be wrong about the mode of belief. I trust God is just, and since he gave us reason--reasonable. Don't you?

It appears you don't, which means you are anti-Bible and therefore anti-christ...right? See what happens when your own prejudice is used against you?

 

There is nothing in the NT about homosexuals or being put to death for wearing a garment of two fabrics..

 

The Bible says Isaac was the child of promise. So you believe that correct?

The Bible says that the promises of Abraham go through Isaac and not Ishamael, correct?

The Bible says that Jesus Christ is from the line of Isaac, and the only begotten Son of God and Saviour of the world. Correct?

And you believe that, correct?

Quantrill

 

Jesus is from the line of Ruth the Moabite.

Deut 23: 3

An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

 

Sorry. I believe what the Bible says. Your trying to say, that , because I believe what the Bible says then I am wrong.

I don't mind being prejudiced against those who are against God and the Bible.

Quantrill

 

See Romans 1.

Quantrill

 

So, you reject Jesus Christ as the Son of the living God? As the only way to be right with God? As the Saviour of man?

Quantrill

 

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to aa debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

 

Ohhh, okay.

 

That has nothing to do with with the question.

Quantrill

 

Neutral

Do you still think Margot is Christian?

Quantrill

 

Why would she NOT be?

What has she said that violates the teachings of Jesus? Has she claimed that Jesus is NOT the son of God? That his teachings were in error?

The two of you are both Christians, you simply disagree with how to treat Muslims. I will tell you on that one, I fall on the side of Margot, because, much like her, I have spent a lot of time with Muslims.

I, like her, disagree that it is the right way, but, there is a lot more in Islam that is similar to my faith then there is different.

For example, the five pillars of Islam:

1. There is no god worthy of worship except God and Muhammad is His messenger.

2. Prayer. Salat is the name for the obligatory prayers which are performed five times a day, and are a direct link between the worshipper and God.

3. Zakat. Tithes to the poor. 'Charity is a necessity for every Muslim. '

4. Fasting. Particularly during Ramadan.

5. Pilgram. In this case to Mecca. In the modern age it can be done with air planes, but, in its day, it was meant to be a journey ... one by ground and with prayer and the experience of getting to Mecca being as important as the destination - all the various people, all under God, encountered under way.

If you replace, 'Mohammed' with Jesus, you have a lot of the same things, albeit in different priority, between us. Which part of these teachings strike as particularly un-Christian save the Prophet Mohammed?

And the simple fact of the matter is that many Muslims DO believe that this is the correct way to God. They pray earnestly, they tithe and care for the poor, etc. A truely faithful Muslim is a VERY good person regardless of what you think of the teaching or some of what I would consider holes in comparison to our teachings.

Take a look at what the Koran says about Jesus:

http://www.thegrace.com/about.html

The problem with 'Islam' is much less about its actual doctrine than it is about the culture. Much of the practice of modern Islam is direct result of Arab Culture, and its positive and negatives. Indeed, many Muslims make these distinctions themselves, others do not.

Islam is a very diverse camp, rich in history and tradition, and, as we do all genuine faiths, it may be wrong, but it should be respected when genuine.

It should be no different than a Mormon and a Catholic agreeing to disagree about some of the points in the Bible.

Besides, stop for a second and imagine how you would react if a devout Muslim, one stooped in the Hadith and the Koran, rich in a knowledge of history, decided not to share his faith, but to begin his introduction to you by telling you, "You worship a false Prophet, one that is the worship of wood, and you deserve to be fought."

Such a tact never even allows a person to explore your faith, as they will immediately go on the defensive and conclude that whatever your faith or its convinctions, you are simply to be avoided.

Besides, God is good, we have no real fear that a false message, or even a misinterpretation, will remove the reality of Christianity. So let Muslims explore it. Removed from socities and culture rooted in it, the word works its way in.

It certainly did to a petulent atheist, who explored all the faiths before making his final decision. Christianity defends itself.