Christian Vendors are neither real vendors, or "christian"

I am by no means Christian...or a part of any other religion. But the part in bold is false unless you're specifically referring to the word "homosexuality".

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

That verse is from the King James Bible from the Old Testament and clearly refers to what we call homosexuality today.

LINK: LEVITICUS 20:13 KJV "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination:..." (kingjamesbibleonline.org)

If you study history that line has been in there for centuries. It was in fact implemented due to the Crusades when "barbarians" would rape captured soldiers and release them in order to cause the Church to spend resources taking care of those that were injured and humiliated.

 

No its not
Yes you are and baking a cake is not participating.

 

Please point out where this has anything to do with anyone other than the two individuals involved.

 

Actually yours is it is still a cake for a gay wedding.

 

Yes it is...

 

You should really read into that verse more — it’s discussing rape and incest. Also Lav mentions having sex with a woman on her period, eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics, touching the skin of a pig…

Are all those people going to hell?

And yes, I am speaking of the word homosexual, it was changed from pedophile — which was foreshadowing I guess for what the church was doing.

 

I used to be one until I understood the meaning of hypocrisy.

 

So, in a blind taste test, would you be able to tell the difference?

Does one surprise you with a squirt in your mouth?

 

they don't have to, this was a public business, if they want to be members only, they should have selected zoning for that

 

then don't sell wedding cakes if it's against their religion or become a private member only bakery, simple, zoning rules may make them move if they choose to discriminate

 

they do not have to add the toppers, they already sell them, so just give them two and they can add them themselves

 

How far should the government go in controlling the lives of people who own a business. How about forcing them to stay open on Sunday? Isn't closing on Sunday discriminating against some people who want to shop on Sunday? Not being able to shop on Sunday would be more inconvenient to some people than having to go to a different bakery.

 

Can you cite what law controls a private business's hours? Other than bars in certain areas, I've never heard such a thing.

As I recall, Dry Sundays was an invention from the churches in a community.

 

Go back and reread what I said. I never claimed there was such a law.

 

You brought it up, so what do you mean? Is this just another hypothetical about another hypothetical?

 

they are not controlling them, if you want to be zoned as a pubic business, you follow the rules, if one wants to be a members only club and discriminate, they can do that too

 

Should a gay cake baker bake a cake for a straight pride themed wedding? Seems to me they ought to be able to refuse... but that would mean the reverse also has to be allowed.

 

Yes. I just wish that would get applied across the board regardless of the targeted sexual orientation, gender, race, etc.

 

If it's a standard item not requiring modification then I agree. If it does require a message of some sort be added, that the cake shop objects to, I don't see why they should be forced.

Would you force a Muslim owner cake shop to draw Mohammed on the cake if requested? Or a black owned cake shop to make a cake to celebrate white nationalism?

 

Is it though? That's all it is? Just the same cake they always make for the other customers? No motivations demanded? How did the shop know it was for a gay wedding?

 

agree, it should be... I feel the same about Muslims denying Taxi\Uber rides to the blind because of their service dog

 

Not recently, but yes I have.

 

well you should not of been discriminated against imo, no one should be

 

How far does avoiding a gay wedding go?

 

Many wedding cakes these days don't have toppers like that though. Is there anything about the actual cake that makes it "gay"?

Anyway, most of the cases involving bakers refusing to make cakes for same-sex weddings (and there have been several) came to a head well before any specific design was discussed. It was purely the gender of the couple in question that triggered the refusals.

Also, the underlying arguments in these cases aren't really about general freedoms for everyone (even where that is the claim), they're about fighting for the ability to discriminate because they're Christian. They don't support the freedom of other people to discriminate against Christians, indeed, the basis of their objections includes complaints that this involves discrimination against Christians (including in this thread).