CNN Medical Analyst Admits After Two Years There's Been 'Overcounting' of COVID Deaths

Nearly two years after the Covid-19 pandemic, CNN medical analyst and Washington Post columnist Dr. Lena Wen admitted that hospitals were exaggerating the number of deaths they claimed was from Covid.

Titled, "We Are Over-Counting COVID Deaths and Hospitalizations. That’s a Problem,” Wren acknowledged that “90 percent of patients diagnosed with COVID are actually in the hospital for some other illness.”

“Since every hospitalized patient gets tested for covid, many are incidentally positive,” Wren wrote, citing Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital.

Wren then provided an example.

“A gunshot victim or someone who had a heart attack could test positive for the virus, but the infection has no bearing on why they sought medical care,” she wrote.

Shocker. However, that admission is two years too late.







https://townhall.com/tipsheet/sarah...es-been-overcounting-of-covid-deaths-n2618297






Many of us knew this to be true all along. Hospitals padded the Covid case and actual cause of death totals to get more federal aid. The governments at the state and local level all along and the federal since Jan 20, 2021 have been using it as a control tool.

 

Two years too late indeed. Never again…

 

This doesn't make it into CNN's top ten lies.

 

Why are reds still caring about covid? The pandemic ended. Or is this another of those situations where reds crave being victims?

 

We weren’t the victims at all unless we lived in a blue state with power craving governments wielding emergency powers like drunken sailors. Our areas reopened first or never closed. Our economies are way ahead. Red states and even red counties in blue ones recovered all jobs numbers equaling February 2020 long ago and have well surpassed them while collectively blue states have yet to catch up to those numbers. Red states and areas went back to school full time in person in August 2020 while many blue areas skipped the entire 20-21 schoo year to distance learning. The differences in the kids academically and psychologically are stark in our favor. The distance learning though did give parents first hand exposure to what their kids were being taught and that sparked something good nationwide.

 

Perhaps not but it’s impact on the nation certainly does.

 

Are you referring to the State shutdowns that your hero trump implemented while he was POTUS?

 

So the question is did the hospitals do this on their own or were they told to?

 

So covid wasn't a big deal?

How big were the exaggerations?

Were other accounts also exaggerations?

 

Some of both. Government told them to do so then they gave hospitals extra funding if a death was caused by Covid. So they had incentive to do it on their own. Many people at the time who were gravely ill with one or more other diseases and actually died of their original ailments but Covid was present at the end but not the real cause of death was labeled so anyway for the money.

 

Covid was a huge deal.

no one knows exactly the extent of this but likely 25% to 33% of all deaths labeled Covid caused during the initial strain of it were part of the exaggeration.

I don’t know.

 

Early 2022, and in several threads, I’ve statistically proven that the number of Covid related deaths in 2020 amounted to AT LEAST 300,000 versus the published number of 377,000.

Rationale: When the states finally published their 2020 Mortality Reports, their actual number of deaths from other causes were either less or more than 10% than previously projected, thus, CONSERVATIVELY, 2020’s total number of Covid related deaths wasn’t over-counted by more than 20%.

In addition, I was the only PF member who regularly posted the number hospitalizations DUE TO Covid, and WITH Covid, and during a period when Republicans were shouting; “They’ve been lying”

 

What extra funding? The hospital system I work for received no such “extra funding”.
We lost billions due to COVID as we had to put elective surgeries on hold while overrun by COVID patients.

 

Ok, perhaps a few doctors listed Covid as an underlying cause of death for an infected patient whose death was accidental, however, I strongly believe that during the pandemic, at least 99% of the death certificates were honestly filled, issued, and coded.

 

The self-acclaimed fiscal hawks didn’t care about the cost of overwhelming hospitals, both short and long term. My daughter is a nurse, and during the pandemic, she wanted to walk away several times.

 

Did you thoroughly analyzed your State’s 2020 final mortality report, both numbers and causes of death, historical stats, and projections?

For example; XYZ State’s Cancer deaths

2017; 10,000 deaths
2018; 10,500 deaths
2019; 11,000 deaths
2020 Projected; 11,500 deaths
2020 Actual; 11,000 deaths……????????

During the pandemic, XYZ State’s 2020 Cancer deaths may have been UNDERCOUNTED by roughly 5%, but why?

Answer; Perhaps said 5% of cancer patients were also Covid infected, and their deaths were coded as Covid.

Note; I’ve analyzed 3 RED State’s final mortality report, mainly their 15 leading causes of deaths, historical stats, and 2020’s projections……

Conclusion; Statistically, Mathematically, and rationally impossible that their Covid-related deaths were over-counted by more than 20%.

 

Ahh yes, the pandemic has ended, but for the purpose of student debt relief it is an extremely pressing emergency.

 

If it helps them spend money it’s still going strong. If it helps them keep government control over rights, freedom, liberty, it’s still going strong. If they want credit for getting something done, they say it’s over and that they ended it

 

As many already mentioned since day one. Look at excess deaths and that number is huge

 

The problem with this line is that there is literally nothing in any of the articles supporting the idea that COVID is being over-reported on death certificates. The only direct reference to that in the Washington Post article is the writer simple stating that if a patient dies, COVID might be added to the death certificate.

There is a clear distinction between identifying inpatients who have COVID and recording cause(s) of death. Testing inpatients for COVID isn't primarily about recording statistics, it's for obviously practical infection control reasons. Hospital patients will be routinely tested for various infections that may not be an issue for them but could be passed on to more vulnerable patients. Just looking at those raw infection numbers doesn't tell us how many people are in hospital because of COVID because they're not intended to.

Death certificates are more complex than a lot of people appear to think. They typically don't record a singular cause of death but the chain of conditions and illnesses that led up to the ultimate cause of death. COVID itself doesn't kill people, just as influenza, cancer or gun shots don't kill people, they all cause the conditions that ultimately kill people. The other aspect is that contributory factors are also included on death certificates, aspects that wouldn't have necessarily killed them alone but made it more likely that they died from the primary cause, making the patient generally more vulnerable or more difficult to treat effectively. Because of those complexities, it can be difficult to get a clear picture from simplistic statistics listing a singular cause of death (be that either only the primary cause or any cause or secondary factor).

In both of these cases, I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that the actual data recording is significantly or generally inaccurate, certainly no more than it would be normally. The problem, as it so often is with complex data in specialist areas, is how laymen journalists (and increasingly other people) report and present the high-level statistics, without explaining, understanding or caring about the underlying complexities and caveats. News reporting is all about selling click-grabbing stories rather than reporting complicated truths after all. On top of that, you have the partisan political influences too, especially in the US it seems. That is also why we get these secondary stories spinning up this misreporting idea, ironically coming from the same people who were responsible for much of the problem in the first place.

And that includes you.

 

fake news = some states, notably florida, are known to be undercounting mortality in order to make their presidential candidates look good, a trick they learned from the source of lies himself ....

“When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases. They [the media] don’t want to write that.” trump

the cdc data is only as good as the reported data, but most experts believe the count may actually be higher than reported, and growing due to long term effects of the disease.


COVID-19 Data from the National Center for Health Statistics (cdc.gov)

 

Good point!

Most States have already published their 2020’s mortality rates, and I’ve compared them to 2019, and then, posted their excess rates in several COVID threads.

Here’s a response I received from a denier;

“State’s Health Departments are mainly managed by Liberals, therefore, their mortality reports/rates can’t be trusted”

 

Florida’s number of deaths from all causes;

2017; 203,353 deaths
2018; 205,461……..+ 2,108 deaths
2019; 206,975……..+ 2,514 deaths
2020; 239,381……..+ 32,406 deaths

Cumulative Covid related deaths reported by Florida’s Health on December 31st, 2020; 21,673, by Worldometer; 23,000

Questions;

1. In 2020, did Florida’s Health over-counted their Covid related deaths? Highly unlikely

2. Under-counted? Possibly

 

yawn covid deniers are the first to jump on biden for wanting to repeal title 42 (caravans of covid spreading hordes are rushing across the open border!)

 

Once again, looks like the below average intelligent are trying to persuade the above average intelligent…….Good luck!

South Dakota Mortality Report, FINAL 2020…..reported by Kristi Noem’s Health Department

Total Deaths;

2015; 7,724 deaths
2016; 7,838……+114 deaths
2017; 7,991……+153 deaths
2018; 7,971……- 20 deaths
2019; 8,273……+ 302 deaths
2020; 9,857……+ 1,584 deaths

SD’s official number of Covid coded deaths; 1,497

SD’s Covid related deaths reported by Worldometer on Dec 31st, 2020; 1,488

Now, prior to the pandemic, let’s assume SD’s 2020 estimated number of deaths was 8,573, thus, another + 300 deaths from all causes…..

Actual number of Deaths; 9,857 MINUS estimated 8,573 = + 1,284 deaths

Actual number of Covid-related deaths; 1,497

Conclusion; Highly unlikely that SD’s Health over-counted their Covid related deaths by as much as 20%.