CNN Medical Analyst Admits After Two Years There's Been 'Overcounting' of COVID Deaths

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  1. XXJefferson#51

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    The part about the differences between lockdown and mandates vs not not big enough to warrant the economic losses is exactly right. As is the part about leaving it up to the individual to make their own personal decision
     
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    Yeah, when the media reports 90% negative stories about Trump, it does seem to sway public opinion. But that was the goal of MSM, wasn't it?

    The point. The data in which people largely based their opinion of mishandling was WRONG.

    The number of deaths reported, was a lie.

    When the media and the left lie for political gain, going back to the polls the manipulated to try and rubrics l reinforce your point seems silly.
     
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    Of course. The AMA should be able to handle that.

    Of course but it doesn't need to be nor should it be in government.

    I can't remember ever having a fight about data bases or statistics.

    Never heard of testicle tanning but I have heard about government incompetence, mandates and lies.
     
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    I see you have no radical Republican-friendly reply. Your politics, and medical and economic assumptions about covid are wrong, indeed have been wrong all along. Fortunately, the worst of covid is likely, though not certainly, behind us and your political effort to hijack the Republican Party will have to turn on something other than lies and misinformation about covid.

    Does this explain why I countered your misinformation about the impact of covid?

    Most important, you were wrong about the economic effect of covid. It's an article of faith, and critical tenet of your ideological assault on the Republican Party, that everything would have been fine if the government had not restricted anyone in any way, or perhaps even done anything about covid. You were mistaken, just as you are now with your insistence everything will be fine if government does nothing (read: spends no money) to combat covid.

    As long as and whenever people change their shopping and social behavior to mitigate their risk of contracting covid, we will see an effect on the economy. Initially, the impact was great because we had no vaccines and few treatments for a novel virus that put at risk the health of older, less healthy people. The point is, and what you can't appreciate because of your ideology and political ambition, covid would have had a serious, negative impact on the economy no matter what government did, and even more important, could have been far worse if government hadn't acted to support business and individuals most affected. People avoided businesses supplying in-person services, the backbone of how we provide high-income employment.

    You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the what people want from government. Lower- and middle-income people want government to provide an economic environment where they can earn a living that allows them to put a roof over heir heads, food on the table, education for their children, medical care when they need it, and at the least a modest retirement. They want choices in schools, medical care, and in how they look after themselves. Social Security is wildly popular because it puts their retirement funds in their hands.

    You're smarter than putting up a stupid argument you have no idea what I'm talking about.
     
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    The number of covid deaths was almost certainly higher than reported. Your ideological assault on Republican support for at least limited government social spending depends upon people believing your Big Lie that covid concerns were a hoax.

    The lesson we should learn from the past three years is that people like you on the right and big-spenders on the left (who can't figure out how to design an economy that lets people look after their own needs) see covid difficulties as a golden opportunity to push your ideology.
    This poll reflected unhappiness with government not having answers...

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    ... on either the left or right.

    You hope dissatisfaction with government can be parlayed into support for your extreme views.
     
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    What have I said that is false?
     
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    No it doesn't.

    It says right at the top "handling".

    Don't make things up to serve your argument.
     
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    The Orange Oaf changed his tune quietly when Canada told him that cutting off supplies would see them curtail shipments of some soul source raw materials involved in PPE production.
    Yes, and 3M reportedly told Trump cutting off Canada would be a serious problem.
    He could have said, "You don't get PPE if you're going to do something stupid with it."
    Trump went "full ignorant ... at the very start" because he was more interested in PR than knowing what was going on.
    You think calling out the National Guard is a stroke of genius? :roll: :no:
    So, because Bernie Sanders might go "full hysteria," it would have been okay for Trump to sit on his hands?
    Your Idiot-in-Chief was making fun of protecting yourself because he failed to mention high-quality PPE--like this...

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    3M P100 respiratoer

    ... can save your life if you're someone with a preexisting condition, old, etc. That alone makes Trump this...

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    All well and good until pols face a reality, if it happens, that individual choices create a situation where hospitals are so overrun with covid patients that people with other problems can't get care. Folks don't understand how appendicitis becomes a death sentence.

    Lockdowns weren't necessary unless the situation became desperate. Some pols panicked and went to lockdowns when lesser mitigation efforts would have been plenty.
     
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    Well time is clearly uncovering reality :)

    Stanford epidemiologist: Research confirms lockdowns were never necessary – World Tribune: U.S. Politics and Culture, Geopolitics, Northeast Asia, China, Geostrategy-Direct, International Security, Corporate Watch, Media Watch
     
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    The goal of all media is to make money. Anyone who thinks they would sacrifice making money to push a political agenda is living in la la land.

    Now, think about it--is Old Joe or the Orange Oaf leaving a few documents around a HUGE DEAL. Probably not, although as someone who had a security clearance I took it all quite seriously. The media have jumped on the story like nothing else matters. Me? I'm more concerned with what these jokers do about the economy, fixing healthcare, and dealing effectively with crud like Xi and Putin.
    Covid is not a hoax and many older people got pretty sick until Omicron.
    In my days of being involved in politics, I would have loved facing someone who thinks covid is FAKE NEWS.

    It's a deadly disease that hits older people and those with preexisting conditions. I can't think of anything our pols have screwed up more than our response to covid.

    Why is everything so f'ed up? Because pols on both sides decided to try to use a national tragedy to make political points. My reaction to them? :puke: :puke: :puke:
     
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    We went 'round and 'round about DeSantis' stupid covid policies.
     
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    Yes, it does and you're pushing BS about covid.
     
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    You need to get to the supermarket quick. Your grapes are extremely sour.
     
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    Didn't matter if he "changed his tune" his first impulse to be 'AMERICAN FIRST' was the correct impulse to have. He was this way with the vaccines, he was this way with the masks. It is the correct mind set to have. (And I'm so glad we are now being obnoxious in quoting every damn point.)

    Canada is our bitch. That's just the reality of the situation.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/06/us-blocks-face-masks-canada-n95-protection-equipment
    He correctly prioratized his country first.

    "In addition to frontline workers, Canada also supplies US companies with the primary materials needed to construct the specialized equipment, including a medical-grade fabric at a pulp mill in British Columbia. The mill, Harmac Pacific, said it had no plans to halt exports to the United States."
    Much ado about nothing. Truddy is a puppy dog without a bite. Nobody respects or fears him.

    His job is to provide what the States request. He can't micro manage all 50 ****ing states. They have Senators and Governors and Mayors and the like to do that kind of work. Do I think the National Guard was "genius"? No. It was the correct call. It was the right thing to do at the time. Did Biden threaten to stop aid to states if they mismanaged their PPE equipment? No? What about your boy Trudeau? Did he threaten to stop aid to any of the Provinces? No? Then why they **** are you even bringing it up? So stop yer faux bitching and nit picking. So far the only thing you are proving is your bias. Lol.

    No world leader was promoting that mask. As a matter of fact, everyone was promoting at the least, cloth masks. I know. I could get around wearing my virtue point collecting "cloth mask" and none of you progressives would bitch about it. But cloth masks are useless. That mask you posted is useless. Why? Because it still allows you access to rub your covid infected hands into your face and eyes. This mask was better.
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    Because this mask prevented you from infecting yourself. But you or any other progressive would never wear this because your Risk/Reward has limits.

    So while your response was long-winded and emotional, you have failed to explain to me how he handled the pandemic poorly. He did what he was suppose to do. Supported each State with what they needed, prioritized America first and he helped get the vaccine you all desperatly wanted to suck on, to market.

    First thing Biden did after he won office? Go against his own COVID policies and took his mask off. And then he had a nap or two...

    Trump teased Biden about wearing a mask for show (and it was for show) even when he was nowhere near anyone. Perpetuating a state of panic. He called a spade a spade and it left you all in a state of hysterics. He also rightfully so, left mask wearing up to the individual instead of demanding it. And he likely would have never added any punishment to those who were not comfrotable getting the vaccine, which again would have been the correct play.

    Because the more heavy handed you get with people the less likely they are to play ball. As you've found out. Americans prefer the freedom of choice. And the masks and the mandates went well beyond that freedom of choice and divided the nation.

    I hope lessons were learned.
     
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    It's about filling up hospitals with covid patients, not their mortality.
     
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    The masks kept getting delivered to Canada. They must have forgotten to let you know. :)
    You asked what else the Orange Oaf could have done. I mentioned a few things. I said, for example, he could monitor what they do with PPE he hands out.
    You're all wound up. I was born and raised in Southern California. The Canadian federal government negotiated foreign purchases and distributed PPE and vaccines to the provinces.
    This is very effective and can be combined with eye protection.

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    This is a stupid comment.
    Trump encouraged yahoos to violate mitigation measures. He undermined states.
    I hope you were amused at the Orange Oaf's antics because they probably cost him the Presidency.
    Yeah, some people are stupid. Anyone who would refuse to get vaccinated solely because they were told they must is an idiot.

    No one cared about masks unless you were indoors.

    I wonder if Republicans will "get it" with regard to abortion. Anyone who thinks women will obey Republican abortion laws is extremely naïve.
     
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    Gonna lump these two together because niether are really a point in your favor. You are missing the point. The point was that Trump was "American first". That was the correct position to have. Canada still getting masks is inconsequential. Canada can get masks, after we make sure America gets theirs. The other point here was "monitor what they do with PPE?" Not his job. Truddy nor Biden did this. No president micro manages. So not sure why you are even bringing this up?

    "I'm mad at Trump because he didn't do something niether of my favorite woke world leaders did!!!"

    That's you.

    I don't care where you are born and raised.
    Remember this?
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...accines-after-other-countries-due-to-lack-of/
    "Canada is at a “disadvantage” because unlike countries such as Germany, Britain and the United States, Canada can’t manufacture vaccines at home, Mr. Trudeau said at a news conference in Ottawa. His concession comes as pressure on the federal government mounts to explain when and how Canada will be able to roll out vaccines for Canadians and after the federal government in August said Canada would be able to make 250,000 doses of vaccines by November."

    And then even when you guys got your vaccine, this happened;
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-slow-vaccine-rollout-covid-19-1.5862358
    "To leave each province and territory to have to come up with their own plan, when they're not experts in this, I think is a failure."

    I think you can **** about how Trump handled Covid now.

    The goggles with the mask is still stupid since it still allows your covid infected hands to get near your face. My mask is better. You won't wear it because you also have sense of risk/reward and you'd rather not risk looking the fool out in public for the reward of not catching a virus you'd recover from just fine.

    Source that.
    Progressives sold on hysteria cost him the presidency. How do I know? You still havn't been able to show me how he handled Covid poorly. As a matter of fact, I've actually been able to prove that your Canada's handling of Covid was worse. lol.
    I'm sorry, are you trying to be revisionist again?
    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...oors-cdc-says-certain-activities-are-n1265452
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    LOL. Nice pivot off of Trump. I don't blame you. But to your point, it remains to be seen. I could ask the same about progressives pushing the trans **** or CRT on our children in schools at such an early age? Think they will "get it"? We are hell bent in open borders with Mexico, but they are hyper religious and well...the whole trans **** doesn't sit well with them. Add Muslim immigrants to that list as well. Parents just generally do not want their children to be taught that they are inheriently victims or oppressors based on their skin color.

    So we will see what happens in 2024. If Biden is even still awake by then.
     
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    And if they weren't going to get sick then there was no issue in that regard!!!
     
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    Putting lipstick on your pig? We continued deliveries to Canada. The Orange Oaf got his soundbite and his followers no doubt lapped it up.

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    So you say. :yawn:
    No, it's you making up phony quotes.
    Well, then don't try to pretend I'm foreigner.
    What does Trudeau's political BS have to do with anything here? He was covering his butt for making a deal with China for their vaccine and then have them refuse to provide data on its effectiveness and safety.

    Canada makes vaccines, just not mRNA vaccines. They're adding capacity the government let slip away to the U.S. because they bought our lie we would supply Canada. Trump welched and people like you cheer him on.
    I won't wear your "mask" because it is expensive, cumbersome and unnecessary overkill. A P100 respirator is 99.97% effective.

    So, the healthcare personnel who wear these respirators are dummies?

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    The death rate from covid in Canada was one-third of ours.

    Have any more extreme rightwing nonsense for us?
     
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    They are sick and some of them show up at hospitals. As I said, it's not how many die, but instead about covid patients potentially overrunning our hospitals.
     
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    Yup "IF" they are sick :) Right?
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    Some folks don't understand they've been fooled. It's part of the human condition even before Covid.

    As Kierkegaard noted, it's easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him how he has been fooled. :angel:
     
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    Hard to fathom why you don't get it.

    The problem is how many covid patients show up at our hospitals. Too many and we won't be able to take care of everyone.
     
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    Hard to fathom you don't understand numbers :) Then again, it looks like you haven't stayed current on new data :(
     

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