Coronavirus now leading cause of death in US

Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause? The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not


*Hint who comes up with the codes....*

 

Yes, 81K was the projection when we were not doing the things to slow down the curve. As we learn new information about this brand new virus that we knew nothing about three months ago, more facts come out and projections are modified.

That 81K projection is down to 61,000 - proof that the distancing is working. It's not proof it wasn't needed.

Do you need reminding of what happened in NY, on the Diamond Princess & the USS Theodore Roosevelt? Now, imagine if Vegas and Disney were open.

 

We shut down the economy and destroyed millions of lives because we could only hope for 200,000 deaths if we did everything right.

We were OK with infecting 60.8 million people with swine flue and killing 12,500 and many more in the years that followed ,,, and that bug killed vital people under 64. Coronavirus kills people who are already as good as dead and we shut down the country and destroy people. We even changed the name of swine flu and lumped it with seasonal flu so we didn't have to attribute the 19,000 deaths in 2018-2019 to Obama and Biden.

 

They they should have said they don't have a clue. This was diagnosed as a flu in CA last November ,,, people got it, some didn't get it, some died and some didn't die just like every year. Look at CA's Covid numbers ,,, they have twice the population of NY and a small fraction of the infections and deaths because most had it and developed immunity.

 

All you naysayers keep conveniently forgetting facts that go against your personal narrative. The flattening of the curve was to not overwhelm resources.

Doctors, nurses, hospital beds, morgues, morticians, funeral homes, clergy to perform funeral masses. All of these are being taxed in the hot spots. Had we let this thing go nuts, numerous states would have run out of resources. Since we did the things, many, many states are having little to no impact from this thing.

Makeshift morgues in New York. When is the last time we needed temporary morgues, anywhere in this country? When is the last time we graduated medical students early so they could help? When is the last time we pulled doctors and nurses out of retirement to help?

I can't imagine the chaos we'd be in if this thing got so far spread that there was nobody to do the farming and the ranching and the processing of those foods and the transportation of those foods.

 

Early in my career, I developed licensing models for the blowdown of nuclear plants required by the NRC. If I was as bad as these people, I wouldn't have made it to retirement. I would have been in jail.

 

I'm not quoting anything. In the context of death certificates, "compelling" is simply a standard whereby doctors should have good reason for completing them as they do, based on their full knowledge of the case.

Hence "assume" doesn't mean just guessed. It's an evidence/knowledge-based assumption.

Here's the guidance for Covid-19 certificates in particular. Note the following:

In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
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Note also the requirement (as with all death certificates) for logical etiology.

That is, the requirement that Covid-19 is the underlying cause of the immediate cause of death (e.g. heart attack). If that's not possible/logical, then Covid-19 is not the cause of death.

 

QUOTE="mitchscove, post: 1071590178, member: 72254"]Early in my cmodels for the blowdown ofas these people, I wouldn't have made it to retirement. I would have been in jail.[/QUOTE]

Interesting.

 

Sure no problem. I'll post soon.

 

They weren't close. This is what infected people: Mardi Gras. People are Dead and John Bel Edwards is still governor. BTW, many of the sick people in the pic flew thru NYC to get to NOLA to infect Louisiana and neighboring states.


Feminists flew to Madrid to International Women's Day and back to pick up the virus and bring it back to NYC. New Yorkers then drove down to Florida to get away from themselves and killed old people.


The Liberal life of total dependence on government to take you from A to B should be toast

 

Putting it in perspective....

 

Glad to see you now know that social distancing is working.

 

Start here for early projections:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/world/coronavirus-live-news-updates.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/donald-trump-coronavirus-memos-warning-peter-navarro


https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...-had-the-warning-but-we-lacked-the-leadership

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2020/02/13/covid-19-deaths-rising-coronavirus-outbreak/amp/

 

There are others but that will suffice.

 

WTF does HIV have to do with this?

 

Lots.

 

The stat is meaningless in a little thing called the big picture. Saying Corona is the leading cause of death on this particular date in history means we should do what exactly?

 

I dunno - take it seriously? If this were the regular flu, that wouldn't be happening. The fact that it is happening and will be for at least several more days should be a giant neon billboard screaming, "THIS IS BAD!"

So, point to me how often the flu consistently takes 1-2 K deaths per day for a month or more every year.

 

Really interesting was that the models I developed and analysts used had to be compliant with Appendix K of 10 CFR 50.46 ,,, describing modeling of the worst postulated accident to prove the core wouldn't melt ,,, blowdown of pressurized water from 2000 psi to atmospheric in 26 seconds. Transient two phase, multi-component flow and heat transfer after a double ended guillotine break in the largest pipe in the system. While we were pounding our puds over an accident that couldn't happen, including benchmarking models against experimental facilities in Idaho, normal maintenance of a feedwater polisher tripped the feed pumps and after 8 operator errors the core melted. Hydrogen created by the metal-water reaction required in the model blew at TMI2 (if you can't tell, I proud of the pop made by the hydrogen my models predicted), but it was under containment and just bent a relief valve. Fukushima was a BWR ,,, wasn't so lucky, blew the side of the building off.

https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/cfr/part050/part050-appk.html

I left the Nuke business in 1985 to automate the design of Climate Change producing coal fired power plants that our Canadian division sold to the ChiComs.

Long story short, I know about modeling. Right from the assumption in Appendix K of 10CFR50.46, it was wrong, but they still do the analysis with every refuel for every plant.

 

Avoiding swapping spit with people I don't know is working for me. NY needs to build roads and people in NYC need to buy cars and travel to work in personal vehicles. They need to fill the subway tunnels with concrete, and turn the Elevated Railways into Elevated Roadways or just shut the place down.

 

April, April, April and your Feb one is about China only....

Does not back your statement.

 

All January and February. You simply are ignoring the facts.

 

That's not what Birx said. She said they were not recording deaths because of Covid-19. They were recording deaths with covid-19 (present). When I looked at the numbers, it appears that because most people who die with covid-19 are as good as dead before they contract the disease, a previous post I made indicated there were 8110 deaths per day in March 2020 and March 2017 --- a cite that implied that Covid-19 was the leading cause of death didn't appear to add a single person to the Obit column.

 

Even if the cause of death was heart failure?

 

Good background in what?