Coronavirus now leading cause of death in US

No, not true. You can get a rough idea like potential spread, ways to mitigate spread potentially, and current treatment attempts. To interpret and understand, no you can't, as you have demonstrated in this thread.

 

You cant point to anything i have said that is wrong all you do is smear.

 

I did directly point out was wrong. I think you know what word smear means.

 

No you did not... I brought up short term memory loss for a reason... Perhaps you should speak to some of your co-workers for early treatment.

 

I replied to that link. I said things have changed since then.

 

Yes they have and so have what people are saying. And yet some people are smeared for saying things back then that at the time was best knowledge all due to agenda..

Again people compared it to the flu for a reason.

Your cohort claims i did not know flu cases was based on an estimate when I have dozens of posts on the topic..

So by all means.. Assume and smear for a few more meaningless "likes" if it makes you feel better.

 

You are ill informed and stubborn so not worth anymore of my time.

 

Personal attack noted and reported.. Have a wonderful day.

 

Thank you. No attacks made.

 

Oh. I understand now. You want information once, and any new knowledge gained is irrelevant. Never mind that this is a completely unknown virus. What we knew early on is the only important metric. Gotcha.

What was the exact date you decided to never learn any new information as new data came in? Was it HS?

 

Not at all.. Are you quite done putting words in my mouth?

TO THIS DAY.. Some people are being attacked and quoted back in Feb for what the experts were saying AT THE TIME.

Its a simple concept..

Try responding without attacking or assuming positions.. See what happens....

Again using this chart provided by the Op

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1712761/

Again.. If you have Cancer and they believe( no positive test ) you have Covid-19 its being counted as a Covid-19 death..

All i have been saying is that its an estimate NOT a fact.

 

Understandable mistake on my part, as you are running around the forum claiming it's just not that bad. If you have changed your views now that we know exactly how bad it can get, hats off to you.

 

When did i state it "was not that bad"...

And if you have been following my posts you would not have tried to implied i did not know flu cases was based on an estimate as i have repeated myself countless times~

 

There a plethora of experts already warning COVID-19 infection was going to go up exponentially as well as fatalities, and they did. There were experts in February pointing out that in some region COVID-19 was already more fatal than influenza and that the potential for higher fatalities would spread elsewhere. These experts were proven correct

 

Mid to late Feb sure.. First week.. Who were they?

A Few names should not be hard since you are an expert and all.

 

My apologies. I must have confused you with someone else who was prattling on about it not being anything worse than the seasonal flu. (There's so many.) I'm always willing to admit it when I'm wrong. I do agree with you that people need to shut up about Trump. We are all in this together - let's let facts and science be our guide and not worry about what politicians did/didn't do six weeks ago to increase/decrease spread.

 

That's not how death certificates work.

In the absence of a positive test, for Covid-19 to be listed as the cause of death it must be determined that:

(a) there are compelling reasons to believe that the decedent had Covid-19

(b) Covid-19 caused the heart attack.

 

The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.


If the death certificate reports terms such as “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19,” these terms would be assigned the new ICD code. It Is not likely that NCHS will follow up on these cases. If “pending COVID-19 testing” is reported on the death certificate, this would be considered a pending record. In this scenario, NCHS would expect to receive an updated record, since the code will likely result in R99. In this case, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify if test results confirmed that the decedent had COVID-

COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have causedor contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc. If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II. (See attached Guidance for Certifying COVID-19 Deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/...w-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

If you have updated information by all means provide it.. Also cite your quotes wouldnt want to run into copyright infringement now would we.

 

I know you're alot smarter than me, so could you tell me where I went wrong. The above comes from your post, I just summed the rows to include Covid-19 to get roughly the March 2020 deaths in the US

This is a post from the CDC showing the deaths in 2017, to include March 2017. Could you tell us where our lost loved ones went, you know, the extra lost loved ones we lost this March that we hadn't lost in March 2017.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/68/wr/mm6826a5.htm

 

You do realize that it would have been so much worse had we kept Vegas, the amusement parks and every other petri dish open, right? The fact that the isolation is working isn't proof that it wasn't needed. It's proof that it's working.

 

This doesn't negate my post at all, and it's not clear why you think it does.

"Probable" or "likely" Covid-19 would be the terms used where there is no positive test but only in the event that the doctor has compelling reasons to believe that the decedent had Covid-19.

And, as it says in your snip, Covid-19 would be reported when it is believed to have caused/contributed to the death.

Hence, if someone dies from a heart attack, Covid-19 would not be listed as the cause of death unless - as I said before - there are compelling reasons to believe that

(a) the decedent had Covid-19 AND
(b) Covid-19 caused the heart attack (logical etiology).

 

Its you using "compelling" not the CDC... You will notice they use the term assume.

NOTHING from the CDC says compelling so again.. What did you quote?

This " However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not." Also backs up my posts to Curious( not saying you are attacking anyone Curious ) and the other guy who just wants to attack people

 

Perhaps you can tell where our lost loved ones went last month.

Here's where we are:
Birx said the projections by Dr. Anthony Fauci that U.S. deaths could range from 1.6 million to 2.2 million is a worst case scenario if the country did "nothing" to contain the outbreak, but said even "if we do things almost perfectly," she still predicts up to 200,000 U.S. deaths.

The White House coronavirus response coordinator said Monday that she is "very worried about every city in the United States" and projects 100,000 to 200,000 American deaths as a best case scenario.

Birx said the best case scenario would be for "100 percent of Americans doing precisely what is required

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dr-deborah-birx-predicts-200-000-deaths-if-we-do-n1171876

March 26, 2020 /

Coronavirus could kill 81,000 in U.S., subside in June - Washington University analysis
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-forecast-idUSKBN21E00Z

April 9, 2020

Fauci lowers U.S. coronavirus death forecast to 60,000, says social distancing is working
Dan Keemahill, Erin Mansfield, Dinah Voyles Pulver, Nicholas Wu, Dian Zhang

USA TODAY

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...could-closer-60-k-new-model-shows/5122467002/

Back up, Jack. Wasn't social distancing included in "doing things almost perfectly"?

I have to go back and see, but I thought last week was supposed to be Armageddon. Did I mishear?

 

If you have sev ischemic heart disease and die of a heart attack after testing positive for SARS CoV-2, what is being put on the coroner report?

 

They can revise the models.... You can not quote them in Feb because when they revise things you still get attacked for listening to them.