Dare I suggest gun reform?

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by wombat, Oct 4, 2017.

  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Firearm violence and suicide started decreasing in Australia in the 80's.

    Currently your suicide rate is at an all time high.

    Firearm crimes in Australia are rising rapidly.

    You only ever had one major mass shooting like Port Arthur, so there's no evidence your gun confiscations did anything.

    There is nothing to stop the same event happening in your country just like this one.
     
  2. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The right to free speech is just as important as the right to keep and bear arms for one's own individual use and protection.

    I want violent street and prison gang members outlawed and banned in America. The Founders would have no more tolerated the Crips, Bloods, M-13 and thousands of others to roam the streets than they would have allowed bands of savage Indians to roam the streets and take scalps.

    ALL, that's ALL adult repeat violent felons should be automatically put to death within 6 months of their 3rd or greater violent felony conviction. Does not matter how they did their crimes, or the weapons used.

    Leftist revolutionaries like Paddock and Islamic jihadists are just an unfortunate reality. The best defense is to locate them, and remove them from society.
     
  3. Woolley

    Woolley Well-Known Member

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    Those crimes are not what we are discussing in regards to mass shootings with weapons of mass destruction. Anyone who thinks an AR modified with a legally attainable automatic feature is a good weapon for home defense is crazy, stupid or both.
     
  4. Jeannette

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    When I read how the Turks always deceived the Christian majorities into handing in their guns under a promise of peace, starting from their first major massacre in 1832 until the last genocide 90 years later, I realized that Americans should never give up their guns.

    I had a lot of fights about that in my family in the past, but now with the political situation, they're starting to see the light. The only reason we're not in a civil war yet, is because the liberals/globalists know the strength of the private militias. The only hope the liberals have to take over the government, is to ban guns. If they were really serious about stopping the violence, they would take away the drugs that is feeding it:


    Seeing the light for security and soul. :oldman:
     
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    Dead is dead, gun, knife or rope.
     
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    There is never a time to consider restricting firearm ownership for law abiding citizens. I don't care what happens.

    It is not possible to have a free people and a universally safe society.

    Freedom is messy. It is at times beyond anyone's control.
     
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    Why 6?
     
  8. wombat

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    Well not 30! And if you are protecting yourself you can easily miss. Ive used a S&W 38 And they arent accurate.
     
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    As bad as mass murder is, it's still a tiny portion of the total number of murders. By taking away lawfully owned guns, you are saving some from mass murder at the expense of many more being murdered individually because they are no longer able to legally protect themselves. And I don't equate justified homicide with murder. Some people deserve to be shot.

    Just like ignoring total suicide numbers and concentrating on "gun suicides". I've known 2 people who committed suicide. One hung himself and one shot himself. They are both equally dead.
     
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    Yet, the "clear statistics" are nothing of the sort here in the US. In the US, you will find that in areas where Concealed Carry Weapon Permits are a "Right" and not served up as a "Privilege" that violent crime in general is lower than in those areas where Concealed Carry Weapon Permits are served up as a "Privilege" and not a "Right" according to the Constitution which clearly states:

    Shall Not Be Infringed.

    Dare I suggest that Americans start talking about what the United States Constitution actually says and what the founders actually intended? Dare I start a thread on that? Dare I? Do I dare? Dare me?
     
  11. truth and justice

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    Driving a car legally is much more difficult than legally firing a gun.
     
  12. Heartburn

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    Police officers sometimes miss with 16 and the bad guys shooting back don't do any better. Adrenalin has some strange effects.
     
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    No it is not worth it.

    Other nations be damned the US sticks by it's bill of rights.
     
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    Government didn't stop him. He shot himself.





    Only manufactured after May 19, 1986. Anything before that is still legal but heavily regulated and registered with ATF
     
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    If you are alone against a group of thugs wanting to rape &/or kill you, having an automatic AR might come in handy
     
  16. Woolley

    Woolley Well-Known Member

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    He killed himself in anticipation of being shot dead, that explains the cameras. You might want to go to any country with a weak government, its not a pretty site.
     
  17. JakeJ

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    No, the cameras were for monitors - or at least that is what was reported. He knew he was going to die. He did not want to be taken alive.
     
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  18. JakeJ

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    Most anti-gunner believe TV and Hollywood fiction movies from old westerns onward are all true. That if a bad guy is shot, he is instantly brain and nerve dead the micro second the bullet hits him - and anyone can easily cause a bad guy to instantly fall down dead with their first and only bullet.

    The gunfight at dawn for which the quickest draw wins because the other is instantly dead is not reality, hard as that is for some people to believe. Of course, only bad guys instantly die. Good guys usually are only wounded and can keep on fighting.

    Hand guns have NO stopping power unless a hit to the brain or severing the spinal cord. People even shot by police and hit 4, 6, 8 times live.
     
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    No, a 38 is plenty accurate. You aren't accurate. A marksman can hit a dime at 10 yards with a 38, depending on the model and barrel length.

    Nor do you really understand "accurate." It's not like tag where if your bullet touches the other person he's out, particularly with any handgun.

     
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    Another argument for Bear Spray. It may be illegal to use it on humans, but who cares if it saves your life?
     
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    It's worked great for Mexico. (not)
     
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    Neither is a country with weak citizens
     
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    Yeah you're right, but to hear the anti gun people say we should only have long guns to hunt and no need for pistols and such.
     
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    Gun control (in the USA) is a non-starter.

    Most of the NRA advocates giving AK47s to newborn babies.
     
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    Where do you see shouting?

    This may be one of the worst ways I have seen someone of trying to change the topic
     

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