Democrat Jamaal Bowman criminally CHARGED for pulling the fire alarm on Capitol Hill

It's complex to drop charges. And not easy to convince a prosecuter to do so. It usually involves a more complex case when other charges are involved. In my research....I didn't see "first time offense" as a viable reason . A procecuter can decide not to press charges at all....but that isn't what happened here.

I'm thinking the prosecuter is a little worried about messing with power. We all know that can lead to targeted devastation.

 

And is being "had," in this case, with Bowman's plea. The question is only whether making a larger legal issue out of this, is in anyone's best interests. Should we fear a rash of spurious fire alarms, if we don't throw the book at Bowman? Shall we let out some violent felon, into the general population, to make room in our overcrowded prisons, for the Congressman? It is impossible to justify, IMO, the need to lock up Representative Bowman. A censure should be more than ample deterrent, from his ever doing this again. IOW, I think that society would remain safe, without footing the bill, to deprive this citizen of his freedom, over this.

I had agreed, that this was irresponsible of him, and deserving of censure. But I see no need, of a prison sentence. That seems unnecessarily excessive; what you would call a partisan prosecution, or a witch hunt.

 

I'm not a lawyer. Nor am I trying to convince you. Expect a little honesty sure. But not convince. But hey, if you want to "believe" that no one could possibly believe that this guy took down signs and then deliberately pulled down the fire alarm which has a universal shape/color/design that's been around for longer than any of us have been alive because he was "confused"... yeah, you go with that. Meanwhile the rest of us will understand that there are two tiers of justice in this country and this is just one of the examples of it.

 

You have just shot out the credibility of your own "honesty," by depicting my argument-- that, among other things, to prosecute for the willful interference of a government proceeding, in this case, is not a slam dunk, as there was room for possible reasonable doubt, in the mind of at least one member, of any (12-person) jury-- instead, as being that I'd said that "no one could possibly believe that this guy" was guilty. When you need to so utterly change my argument, in order to make your own sound reasonable, that is the strongest of indications that even you realize, your argument is weak. But sure-- you go with that.

LOL-- can you cite some examples of all those who have gone to prison, for pulling a fire alarm? What most actually understand, is that to equate Bowman's stupidity, with the attack on our Capitol, is a ludicrous example of partisan overreach.

 

By definition justice can only be had if it goes through the criminal justice system. This is like saying not charging the crime of shoplifting in San Francisco is an execution of justice. That's illogical and it is not justice. The prosecution completely ignored an alleged commission of a crime of which there appears to be ample evidence of it occurring. The only reason I can think of doing so is because they didn't want Bowman to receive an approptiate punishment that coincides with his criminal behavior.

Let's look at it this way. Imagine Bowman committed a crime against your family. You have it on video. He's in police custody. And the prosecutor says, "we're going to ignore this crime completely when negotiating a plea deal for a lesser offense." How is that justice for the crime against you? It's not. That's called an injustice which is the opposite of what you're claiming.

 

WHAT "Lesser Offense"?
His ONLY Crime was pulling the fire alarm, and he was charged accordingly...
Bowman's ONLY Crime - Pulling fire alarm
Bowman's Charge:
The charge was for 'willfully and knowingly [giving] a false alarm of fire, in violation of DC code'
Conclusion:
Totally LMAO at "negotiating a plea deal for a lesser offense"...

 

Millions of Americans have pulled a fire alarm with no reason? I'm guessing that's hyperbole....

 

Just more childish antics from the extreme left wingers of the democrat party

 

And yet somehow, in your mind it is neither a witch hunt or overcharging when the DOJ throws everything they can possibly find against Trump and anyone who dared to ever vote for him. In those cases, a public spectacle serves the interest of the country but to do the same for Bowman would not.

 

EXACTLY (and Agreed)...

 

Not what I said. I said millions of people have entered the system, and very few got something as favorable as this. And if these favorable sweet deals exist, then they should be given not just to politicians but to us little people.

 

I’m pretty sure he’s only one person.

 

They are. All the time when people plead guilty

 

Here’s some random dude:


Justin Glenn, 41, pleaded guilty on Wednesday to involuntary manslaughter, according to Butler County Common Pleas Court filings.

Glenn was indicted in March 2022 on murder and illegal weapons possession. As part of his plea bargain, prosecutors agreed to reduce the murder charge to involuntary manslaughter and drop the weapons possession count.

 

Try reading the post again, if there's any words used that still confuse you the second time around feel free to point them out and I'd happily explain them to you.

 

It's the context of what was happening and what was caught on video. Videos have been provided already in this thread showing he removed the fire exit only signs and even had one in his hand when he pulled the alarm. He also never tried opening the door that he pulled the alarm on. Republicans created the CR very late the previous night and the next morning wanted to schedule a vote. Democrats protested saying they didn't have enough time to review the legislation. So they filibustered. But, they were running out of time. In a last ditch effort, House Democrats began a motion to adjourn vote. It was at this time that Bowman pulled the fire alarm.

It was a chaotic day. Some Democrats didn't realize Ukraine funding was intended to be voted on separately. Additionally, Democrats were pissed that Republicans were trying to schedule the vote so early in the day saying they hadn't had time to review the legislation Republicans crafted the night before. So Democrats had their staff going through the bill trying to make sure everything was okay for them to vote while House Democrats were either already on the floor filibustering or trying to get to the floor to help delay the vote in a magnitude of means such as the motion to adjourn which they wanted to do by paper to slow things down. The entire time Democrats were protesting it was because they wanted their staff to have more time to review the bill. Bowman pulled the alarm during the motion to adjourn vote which was their final procedural stall tactic. This evacuated the Cannon building and all of their staffers in it. This gave them ammunition to say their staff can't review the bill anymore so they needed more time. They had no other procedural moves so pulling the alarm seems to have been an irrational means to plead with Republicans to get more time. Is it a clean case? No, but all you need is probable cause for the charge. And, there's no other rational reason for a school principal to claim he didn't know what a fire alarm pull station is. Nobody believes he didn't know the fire alarm would go off while holding the fire exit signs he had just taken off the door then turned around to pull the alarm. So he pulled it intentionally for a reason. The only logical reason was to attempt an interference of the vote. The video also shows plenty of evidence that he intentionally lied to police when he said he didn't know pulling the alarm would set it off. There was plenty of probable cause to ensure more than one charge. You need beyond a reasonable doubt for a conviction, not for charges. To my knowledge, they never interviewed his staff or other people working to delay the vote day to see if they could tell them why he pulled the alarm. He just got a pass on additional charges.

 

Thank you, for that very comprehensive explanation. As to the question of the litmus for a charge, versus for a conviction, though, I do not follow your implication that prosecutors would charge something, without feeling confident, they could convict on it.

But your rundown of the sequence of events, makes me want to ask what you think are the chances, that someone in leadership might have directed Bowman to do this-- rather than it being his own idea? That scenario of just following orders, would not be my guess, but I couldn't dismiss the outside chance of it, either.

 

Did you READ my reply? I specifically argued that attempting to overturn a valid election result, is much more serious, than the pulling of a fire alarm. Also, I'd pointed out that there is far more cause for concern of a repeat of the election interference, than of the Bowman incident, without aggressive prosecution. So yes, it is logical, to go harder against the "stolen election," plot, and is of dubious value, to blow up Bowman's misadventure, to the same proportions. The two offenses, are more different, than they are alike.

 

Got it.

So I'm supposed to sift through the entire forum to see that your sarcasm in this thread in multi posts wasn't you deflecting from condemning his actions?

 

An overlong repetitive litany of horrifically misguided speculation based on what another prosecutor MIGHT have done?
Give everybody a freakin' break...
Sorry to inform those who want to blow this way out of proportion, but Bowman won't be facing the death penalty...

 

If you are going to compare penalties, you HAVE to do it for similar offenses...

Trust me, if you ever pull a fire alarm, I will NOT be demanding your summary execution...

 

Sorry, but that take is dead wrong...
Bowman's Plea Deal would be considered STANDARD for anybody (regardless of status) with No Priors and a Good Lawyer...

 

Only if you wanna run your mouth and claim I didn’t condemn it. I was nice enough to do it for you. Feel free to apologize on this thread.

 

. . . I hate to be the one to spoil things, but he's poking fun at the excuses people use for Trump's crimes, using the same defenses. Get it now?

 

The DOJ has not thrown everything it can against Trump. Trump has been treated with kid gloves.