Demographic change in vaccinated people, and reasons to drop hesitancy

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just explained it in the post above your post.
     
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  2. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First of all, a picture is not a lie. Second of all, it was unintentional.

    I was just copying two of the pictures from someone else's post. I didn't happen to check them.
    I know there have been children who have suffered severe allergic skin reactions from other common vaccines, so I had no reason to believe the picture was of some other completely separate condition.

    I would have been more than happy to edit it out if it were not for the stupid 15 minute time limit for editing.

    You're very quick to latch onto one single error, ignoring the fact that the other picture (which looked even worse) in that same opening post was completely real and caused by the vaccine.
     
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  3. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh sure.
    It was unintentional... someone whose pattern of posting is 100% anti-vaxxer BS, just unintentionally posts graphic images pretending that they are a vaccine reaction.
    And now, after this long track record of lying about the vaccines, you want us to believe that this big fat lie was unintentional?

    How exactly was it unintentional? Did your hand just by accident click on something? Did your cat step on your keyboard? LOL.

    No, YOU POSTED THESE GRAPHIC IMAGES AND PRETENDED THEY WERE COVID-19 VACCINE REACTIONS, YOU BIG FAT LIAR!!!

    Here is what the intention was: to shock people with graphic images so that they don't get vaccinated.

    You would NEVER have acknowledged it as a mistake if we hadn't debunked it.

    By the way, your other pictures are of a case of Stevens-Johnson's Syndrome, which can happen with just about anything. There is no proof whatsoever that this case of SJS was caused by the vaccine, and no other case was described of SJS with the vaccines.

    People get vaccinated. Almost 2 billion now. So, yes, they continue to have the usual frequency of other ailments, such as heart attacks, strokes, Stevens-Johnson Syndrome... and then you anti-vaxxers attribute it to the vaccine. Great. [insert rolling eyes here]
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's a difference between carelessness leading to a mistake and big fat lies.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And do you think I'm silly enough, naive enough, and dumb enough to accept your lying "explanation"? LOL.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Images? Plural? Aren't we talking about only one image? Those other images in that opening post WERE caused by the vaccine!
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A picture is not a lie, but your text that accompanied the picture, saying that this was a picture of a girl who had her skin peeled off as a Covid-19 vaccine reaction was BIG FAT LIE.

    ONE single error? Just in this thread I pointed to 3 more of your lies. You lie constantly and repeatedly.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you're just being stubborn and obtuse now.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To what are you referring to?
    Those three points you brought up from other outside threads, though you can't remember from exactly where? I said I was willing to discuss one of them (and only one of them) if you picked one.
     
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    No, there is no evidence that the vaccine caused the Stevens-Johnson Syndrome you depicted in your other pictures. Anything, even ibuprofen this man may have taken for some vaccine-related fever, can cause SJS. Where is your proof that it was the vaccine???
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To the post where I mentioned the lie about Trump's touted drugs and the FDA, the lie about medical scientists not studying ivermectin, and the lie about the conclusions of the British study.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, I stand by what I claimed about the other picture.

    The doctor said he believed it was probably caused by the vaccine. That's not enough for you? You think that constitutes a "lie" from me.
     
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    Out of what authority? Unlike me, that I know you're not an MD/PhD with expertise in Virology and Immunology and 41 years of medical experience.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You know, if you wait 3 minutes before you immediately respond to my posts, I think this conversation would be a lot more productive.

    That's just my posting style, I post things before I am entirely finished writing everything.
     
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    So you issue lies... I debunk them... you edit them out from your posts... then you pretend you never said them, right? Right?
    Because, you know, I can give myself the trouble of going back to the content history and finding the exchange and my quotes showing that you DID spout these lies...
    My posts with the quote, with the codes inserted by the software, will show that they DID come from your posts... it's all there, documented forever, for anybody who wants to check it out.
    The only reason you edited them out is because I called you out on it.
    Better proof, you later went to another thread and repeated the lie about the British study, as I was not there in the other thread to debunk it.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've never done that. I think you are just suspicious and paranoid that I may be doing that, because my posts seem to change.

    Any specific examples of this?
    I have a decent memory and am willing to try to be honest with you.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have way more expertise on these matters than most front-line doctors.
    No, it's not enough for me.
    Correlation in time is not necessarily causality, especially given that SJS can happen with any medication the man may have simultaneously taken, and it hasn't been seen elsewhere with these vaccines.
    Here:
    Shark attacks increase in the summer.
    Ice Cream consumption increases in the summer.
    If some moron with no notion of the scientific method says that he believes that probably eating ice cream causes shark attacks, no, it's not enough for me.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, there are specific examples of this. Like I said, it's all there in that old thread. It's 12:41 AM, I won't spend 30 to 60 minutes trying to find it... but at some point I will, and then the sequence there and the quotes I saved, prove with no possible doubt that you're a big fat liar.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, would you like to start a thread that is specifically about looking at studies that show how much the vaccine prevents the spread of infection?
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, you have, and I can prove it. That's another lie.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jesus. I just gave you a link. Did you explore the link?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree, but individual correlations do not need to be established with certainty to establish an overall wider statistical correlation estimation.

    I think you would agree that doing that would lead to a Catch-22.


    The news media uses these sorts of somewhat anecdotal stories all the time (in favor of the vaccine) and presumably you take no issue with that.
    So I think there may be a little bit of a double standard here.
     
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    Hmm. You dispel the OP, and fail to link a single shred of evidence for your disagreement?
     
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    Oh, sure. Because if I wait for you to edit out your lies, then it will be more productive for you, because you won't be shown to be what you are, a big fat liar.
    Sorry, but your credibility is shot, after posting a photo of a child with smallpox and pretending it's a Covid-19 vaccine reaction when no children are being vaccinated against Covid-19, with the vaccines being only approved for children older than 12, while the girl in your picture was obviously much younger than that - are you saying you never realized the huge inconsistency? A child who looks 5 years old, having a reaction to a Covid-19 vaccine????

    Sorry, but if you say it was just a honest mistake, then I'll have to doubt your intelligence.

    What's worse?

    Being a liar or being dumb? Your pick.
     
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    No, you offered no proof. Just an opinion.
     
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