Demographic change in vaccinated people, and reasons to drop hesitancy

I'm fine with ad hominem attacks, they don't bother me.

 

Proof of what, exactly?

(If you're talking about pro & anti vaccine, I don't think anyone has offered "absolute proof" of either. Absolute proof rarely exists when there is a controversy)

 

At least with more vaccinated the amount of vaccinated people catching Covid and dying from it is increasing along with those dying shortly after from the vaccination.

 

I guess not, because you called me stubborn and obtuse in this very thread. Isn't that an ad hominem attack?

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-drop-hesitancy.592691/page-2#post-1072977544

Unfortunately for you, it seems like it's too late for you to edit it out and pretend you never said it, like your usual m.o.

 

Well, to be fair, I said that about your behavior in this thread.

 

Lol. You post a lie because you can't fact check the lie before posting it?

That's a cop out

 

Yes

 

I'm just going to point out I offered to take this side argument to another separate new thread so it wouldn't derail this thread.

The Opening Poster seemed to want to argue about all this with me in this thread.

 

You're the one making claims.
And no link/prooyti the claims. Meaning, your opinion only.

 

Wow, kazenatsu finally recognizes an error!!! Whooohoooo! That's a first!!!
Well, you know, since the post had more than 26 minutes, you couldn't use your modus operandis of editing it out and pretending you never said it, so I guess this time you had to acknowledge it, right? LOL

 

Oh, so innocent... It's just evil CenterField who tried to argue with poor you, huh? LOL

 

I wonder if that 14% of Democrats who don't want to be vaccinated are going to continue to vote for the Party when they are forced and coerced into vaccination.

 

I am not much of a fan of mandating vaccines either. I would require it of govt employees, the military and in health care, as soon as feasible ( questionable with our current staffing crisis) not sure if facilities can afford to lose staff who quit in protest, or that Biden's bill is legal) . I am more interested is using a carrot.

I would add a small 'vaccine pay raise' to govt and healthcare workers to whatever their annual raise of govt employees and health care workers keep current on their annual flu and covid vaccines and let private employers decide what they want to mandate on their own.

 

@kazenatsu bad luck for you, because I actually did give myself the trouble of locating that old exchange, with the proof of your lies. Here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-misinformation.592014/page-2#post-1072934575

 

86% vaccinated and 14% not vaccinated yet, doesn't necessarily mean that all among these 14% don't want the vaccine. There is an issue of access, too. Many Democrat voters are disadvantaged and live in communities with little access to care. It's been shown over and over that vaccines are going more to affluent neighborhoods than to poor ones

And then, many of these 14% won't qualify for the current mandates that are being sought. As you know, anybody who is not in the workforce, unemployed, self-employed, or works for a business with less than 100 employees, won't be subject to these mandates, and the percentage of these is bigger in disadvantaged neighborhoods.

Maybe a few among these 14% will be unhappy about having to get the vaccine... then they will see that they have experienced minimal side effects and that if they catch the virus they won't go to a hospital or die... and then they may actually get grateful.

By the way, here is another of your lies... because the mandates don't force anybody to get the vaccine, given that they have an opt-out clause with weekly tests.

 

First of all, the Biden mandate is not even in force right now. It's awaiting OSHA regulations. It hasn't taken effect.
What we are seeing are mandates established by employers themselves.

Yes, I think facilities can afford it, because hospitals are firing about 1% of their workforce who stubbornly refuse to get vaccinated, and I'll say, good riddance, because someone who doesn't believe in real science and prefers to believe in junk science and conspiracy theories has no business working in healthcare, a sector of human activity that is science-driven. I wouldn't want to be cared for by a nurse who doesn't believe in science and can transmit to me a deadly disease because she listens to conspiracy theories and anti-vaxxer BS. I wouldn't trust her. So, good riddance.

But otherwise, yes, I like your idea of financial incentive for vaccination. This could be accomplished in an even simpler way: give to employees who accept the vaccine, a discount in the monthly premium they have to pay for their employer-sponsored health insurance plan. Just like plans give a discount to smokers who quit.

 

LOL, it's interesting to see that when I posted this, Kazenatsu quit.
He's shown this pattern before. When he takes a beating in a thread, he quits and goes spread his lies in another thread.

 

Worth noting that anti-vaxxers are shooting themselves in the foot by using that image of the child with smallpox given that smallpox was a lethal virus with a 30% chance of dying that was all but eliminated though the global use of vaccinations.

 

What a great bedside manner.
Despite my lack of higher education and learning I understand that if you wish to speak to people and communicate with them effectively that the message you employ are probably not the best ones.

But that's just me perhaps it was the way I was raised.

I guess it's that whole honey vinegar thing.

 

Okay, point taken, but at the same time I don't believe it's fair at all to really compare the Covid vaccine to many other traditional vaccines.
The argument for the Covid vaccine is much weaker.

 

How many were becoming seriously ill and/or dying PRIOR to the vaccine?

How does that compare to those becoming seriously ill and/or dying AFTER being vaccinated?

What exactly is "weak" about a vaccine EFFECTIVELY reducing serious illnesses and deaths?

 

Oh please. That's absurd. The left and the lefty media sugar coat and bury under the rug anything bad connected with the vaccines in order to push their agenda of getting everyone vaccinated.

 

Does that mean you don't have proof of your claims?

Diverting to the left doesn't seem like an independent way of thinking.

 

Or perhaps you could quote the data yourself.. I can imagine the unhinged replies i would get if i relied on a "newsletter"...

 

The argument is much weaker??? In your anti-vaxxer dreams... This is the WORST infectious disease outbreak in the entire history of the United States with 700,000 deaths (now relegating the Spanish Flu to second). The vaccines make it so that 99% of the deaths are now among the unvaccinated... and you think that the argument for the vaccine is weak? You obviously do not value human life.