Do you understand why people vote for Donald Trump?

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Do you understand why people vote for Trump?

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  2. Sort of

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  3. No

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  4. Definitely not!

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  1. gorfias

    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    Never forget, Obama opened up kids in cages. Trump closed them. I'm told Trump had no choice but to do so as the judiciary ordered them closed. Well, somehow, Biden sure was able to open them back up. But somehow, Trump is the bad guy in this story.
     
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    The "swamp" and the "deep state", in my view, are synonymous. They are the thousands of unelected appointees, agents, and other employees behind the scenes that operate the levers and wheels of the ridiculous kabuki theater we see. Most are just doing a job, a tiny cog in an evil machine too large for them to comprehend.

    Who's the leader? Good question. But, the people we elect are clearly not the ones in charge. The elected are just the "Great and Powerful OZ" dancing for the media on the strings of "the man behind the curtain". My feeling is, there is probably so much dirt on every one of the entrenched career politicians that none of them dare to do anything substantive about corruption, because they will sink their own boat if they do. Schumer's infamous warning about not crossing the intelligence goons gave a little glimpse of how that works. Sure, they go on TV pounding the podium and give fiery speeches about dealing with it, but nothing substantive ever comes of any of it.

    Again, this is not a partisan phenomenon. It is pervasive across ideologies. Another poster posited that there really isn't much difference between the parties. It's just a two-headed snake feeding on the people. I think if you close you ears to what they say, and instead focus on what they do, there really is very little difference.

    And back to the topic, I believe the main attraction of Trump to those people who will vote for him is that he isn't beholden to the swamp and has promised to try to do something substantive about it. He failed, miserably, the first time. He will probably fail miserably again, if given the chance.
     
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    If you watched the actual video and were being honest with yourself you would understand. If you have never bowed your head and closed your eyes at a solemn event, then you have never been to a solemn event
     
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    @Bullseye Here you go. Here's proof that your handlers were lying. You should really ask yourself why your "sources" are so psychopathic and have such little regard, not only for the people of Hawaii, but so little regard for YOU, for your intellect, that they would lie about this and depend on you to fall for their deceipt and help spread their lie. Your "sources" hate the truth as much as they hate Biden. The only thing they love is hate and deception for their hateful cause. They are parasites. And rather than swat at them, you are allowing them to drink your blood willingly. I'm reminded of this person I once saw on YouTube that had pet leeches, and she would just let them bit her and suck her blood. This is the same relationship you have with these bottom feeders. Try showing some respect for the people of Hawaii. Try showing some respect for the truth. Even if being willingly deceived by the lies you've been told and copy/pasting them is convenient for your hatred of Biden, you should have more respect for the truth. You should have more respect for for the victims of this tragedy. Currently, you are no different from the fictional Biden you are talking about in terms of said disrespect. And if you can't bring yourself to have respect for the truth or the victims, at least try to respect yourself long enough to not fall for the dumbest bull **** on the planet.

    You are the one who has fallen asleep here, bud.

    Did Biden fall asleep during a Maui event? - YouTube
     
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    I've said that for years.
    2 sides of the same coin.
    They play good cop, bad cop. Occasionally switching roles.

    But with the extremes in each party becoming louder there's a little less behind the scenes cooperation.

    They do those things to keep the voters pointing fingers, IMO. For a divided electorate is an uninformed electorate.

    But in no way, shape, or form, was trump trying to dismantle or drain the swamp.
    His goal was to shape it to work for him and give him unbridled power. He is anti America. Especially since he would love to end our election process. Because he knows his ideology can never win over the majority of Americans.

    He knows the trigger words and how to manipulate people.
    That's why he knows and said, he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave and not lose supporters.
    He is like a cult leader. Getting a 1/3 of America to drink the kool aid.

    He did and will fail miserably again. trump is and never has been about anything or anyone that is not about himself.
    He's the classic definition of a narcissist. Every word he uttered, every action he tried was to further himself.

    I would like to end the 2 party same goal control. But trump has soured me on achieving that goal for now and for as long as he remains remotely relevant.
     
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    Apprehensions and expulsions registered by the United States border patrol from the fiscal year of 1990 to 2022

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    https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/

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    Walls at best are nothing more than an extremely expensive bandaid.
    Most illegals are here by overstaying some sort of visa.
    Most drugs are smuggled thru ports of entry.

    Any wall can be gone over, under, around, and smuggled thru.
    We have 4 borders. 2 with oceans and a very very long northern border.
     
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    I disagree with the above highlighted. He is not suited for public office, IMO, but the above is just propaganda. The swamp saw him coming, and ate him alive. They're still chewing on him. Hillary said (paraphrased): "If that man wins, we're all screwed." She wasn't talking about the country, she was talking about herself and her cronies.

    They MUST keep the people divided. Because if they don't, the people will unite... against THEM. The above highlighted propaganda is how they do that.
     
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    Wouldn't we just expect "encounters" to shoot to the sky when crossing attempts have done the same?
     
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    It wouldn't work for either of those purposes if built.

    Glad he didn't waste the money on something that not only wouldn't work, but would make us look like dumb ********s.

    Didn't notice that, nor do immigrants, legal or otherwise, increase crime rates.

    I don't think the issue is getting the people, it's how it's being done.

    I'm white.

    The point wasn't that all Trump supporters are racists. The point was that Trump appeals to racists in part because of his anti-immigration policies. It's true that what some people hate is illegal immigrants and might be confused for racists when they're not really. Like if you listen to Lou Dobbs back in the day, one might think he really hates Mexicans. But his wife is Mexican-American. What he really hates is illegal immigrants. He's mistaken about them, but it's not brown people in general that he hates. On the other hand, there are people who really do hate having them around and come up with excuses to minimize their presence such as worrying about illegal immigration.
     
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    A narcissist only has 1 goal. To feed one's ego.
    I knew his agenda way back in 2015.
    A former dem supporter and fan of Clinton's was using the R party gullible to achieve his goal of enriching his ego.

    He is a master at using the correct trigger words to trigger members of his into extreme loyal followers.
    Ala, Koresh or Jim Jones.
     
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    I'm sorry. Not following the meaning of this post.
     
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    There is no swamp... at least, not originating from government bureaucracies. It's the politicians, and not because they're evil, but because of how the system is set up. The power elite has always been a thing, but to the extent America has a special degree of corruption, it's caused by things like Citizens United v FEC. The first amendment was twisted into meaning that money is speech. Bribes in politics are basically legal, as long as done in the right way. And that's how we end up with policies like medicare being disallowed from negotiating for better drug prices - because of drug company lobbying and campaign contributions, which ought to be viewed as bribes if corruption is the concern.

    Clinton definitely meant policy issues like global warming and Iran, not the special status of the power elite or the swamp. Trump is not an outsider on the power elite front, and he wasn't going to threaten the wealth and power of the elite when he is himself one, while running as a republican, and being a narcissist.
     
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    Perhaps I didn't follow the meaning of your post. It appeared you were using a chart showing a sharp spike in "encounters" since 2022, to support the assertion that the Biden administration was more efficient at mitigating illegal immigration. I asked if the sharp spike in "encounters" wouldn't just be due to the sharp spike in attempts, also due to the Biden administration.
     
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    I do not disagree, however, the above-board money from such "bribes" is chump change compared to the money laundering operations going on elsewhere.
     
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    It shows Biden didn't open the border. Given levels were low before Trump as well, it would suggest that illegal immigration attempts aren't really related to the anti-immigrant rhetoric of politicians and/or the policies were not dramatically different, but other factors. Maybe the conditions in their countries.
     
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    Ok, which "actual video" are you talking about - there's hundreds on this site. I've watched dozens on this site alone.

    Does attending the funerals of my Navy shipmates count as a "solemn event"?[/QUOTE]
     
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    No, you haven't. And I provided one for you and tagged you in it.


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    It does. But if you never saw anyone lower their head in solemnity and nod and blink their eyes at the words being shared, then I don't think you ever attended any such funeral.
     
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    Jesus, instead of insulting me look at the first minute or two - he'd nodding off. Believe your lyin' eyes for a change instead of what YOUR HANDLERS tell you.
    NOW follow yoown suggestion when it comes to the truth. And tell YOUR HANDLERS to buzz off.
     
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    Sure. It occurred in what you referenced and what your handlers are feeding you to copy/paste. You provided a single, blurry frame. When you actually watch the video with higher resolution you can clearly see he isn't sleeping. I provided that for you. If you have another high-resolution video that shows otherwise, provide it. Your blurry propaganda frame ain't gonna cut it and this isn't the only time you guys have tried this bull ****. You pretend you care about selective editing but your ENTIRE POSITION is based on the laziest, most dishonest selective editing imaginable. You don't actually care about selective editing.
     
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    Oh, got it.

    No, the chart I showed was Apprehensions and expulsions registered by the United States border patrol from the fiscal year of 1990 to 2022.

    It does not show how many actually tried to cross. So there is a possibility of more trying to get here. But I think, not sure, the numbers trying to get here are not near the records of some years past.
     
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    A confounding factor in your graph: maybe part of why there were so many more apprehensions and expulsions under Biden is that there are that many more nation rapists coming to penetrate our borders without consent under him in the 1st place as they believe he will welcome the violation of our country. The real question is, how many got in? How are they being treated? Under Trump, they had a remain in Mexico policy. Under Biden? Well, at least I hear the sanctuary cities are finally getting them themselves and they are freaking out.

    Example story but there are a lot of them out there.

     
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    Maybe. But why maybe.
    Why not actually show chart showing how many come to the border per year.

    How can you say he will welcome them if we are apprehending and returning at numbers that are the highest in history?
    That seems absurd to think they are being welcome.

    Under trump, they would not remain in Mexico if they snuck in.


    Your thoughts on the topic don't seem to be well reasoned out. But it was a good rant, wasn't it?
     
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    They made a "DOCUMENTARY" about that. ;)

    It was called Idiocracy as I recall.
     
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    Under Trump, how many snuck in, remain in Mexico policy or not vs. now under Biden? That is the question I'm asking.
    Ask the nation rapists themselves what they think. I've seen videos of them stating in interviews they think Biden a kind man who will welcome them. You don't think Biden has that reputation vs. Trump? Even if un-true (or not)? I think that perception can impact the number coming in the 1st place.
    He was the one chastising border patrol for allegedly hitting them with reigns from their horses when I'm wondering, why are these nation rapists not being shot. Something like this happens in Israel, with Palestinians damaging their border protections, people get shot, so I don't think it happens much.
    I also don't recall stories about people in sanctuary cities losing their $hit over the flood coming in under Trump. They became sanctuary cities under Trump as he was seen as hostile to nation rape. Again, perception matters. Do you think I am incorrect about these perceptions? That would be nation rapists thought that Trump more pro border violation than Biden?
    You could have a point.

    https://www.bps.org.uk/research-digest/are-religious-people-really-less-smart-average-atheists

    But I think about what those pushing that narrative (that religious have kids) often talking about, for instance, Israel. That the religious there know more about their religion than your average sports geek knows about baseball stats or Star Trek nerd knows about star dates by episode. Not really the sort of people that "documentary" was writing of.
     
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    You've seen videos?
    I posted data showing we've had the most Apprehensions and EXPULSIONS in all the years dating back to 1990.
    So a video of someone thinking they are welcome means pretty much ZERO.

    No I don't think Biden has a reputation vs trump. Data proves that with the number of Apprehensions and EXPULSIONS.

    Granted, I don't watch RW of LW reality tv masquerading as news. So I don't get many conspiracy theory stories.

    The fact you think all migrants are rapists proves you are not even level headed on the topic. But you sure do believe conspiracy theories.
    I've never know babies and children to be rapists. But, you do you.

    I don't see any reason to continue this with such idiotic nonsense with one calling all migrants rapists.
     
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