Does Israel have the right to exist Part the third!

Started another thread not because I don't think that 1000 posts on, the subject has probably run its course, but because I had only just managed to post the following....and bugger me the thread was closed right after I did....and I'm a lot peeved after trying to find somewhere prominent to put it for weeks!

So move it by all means if you like..but leave the link on just about the
only place most members read....pretty please!

Now that reminds me of something, Marlowe. Are you aware that Israel has been chosen to host the EUFA under-21 Championships in 2013?

The sporting boycott of SA made a definite impact.....so about time it was tried on Israel. Sickening enough that Israel is playing in EUFA at all....but hosting any EUFA competition while they practice apartheid within Israel and oppression in the Occupied Territories is just not acceptable.

Why should we let Israel reduce us to the same level of callousness as them?

Red Card Israeli Apartheid on Facebook

Tell Platini

Ironic to think that a year ago Platini threatened to annul Israel's membership of the union because of the restrictions it imposes on Palestinian football players..yet in June Israel would not allow the four Gazan players who joined the Palestinian team to enter the West Bank for the second round Olympic Qualifier.

The Palestinian Football Federation faces problems in organising even training sessions for the entire team because of travel restrictions placed by Israel upon people in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and the difficulty in obtaining an exit visa from Israel.

And still Israel gets a UEFA Championship final........sod that for a game of soldiers killing innocents!
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Never said israel should exist but it does.

Never said it was 'right' to exist, but it does.

Jeruselem aint israel and the majority of the world agreed on just that.

As for the items within the OP: Israel focuses on what is good for israel and if they can claim that santa dont belong because he will bring in weapons, then that is what they will publish.

 

i am man

r u woman?

anti semitism is used by wingnuts kind of like a christian telling a muslim, they are atheist. ie.... just because a person does not identify with the belief as they do, does not mean they can label a person as such.

could care less.

the term anti semitic is a label used by bigots to impose

exactly and semitic is a language not a people.

kind of like jew is a religious adherant of judaism, not a people (race)

exactly and bigots have been doing it for far too long

in a sense, i see your point.

Idiots believed and taught that a 'god' created the universe, but that is now a realized stupidity of a belief, not reality. So idiots can create beliefs but it aint changing reality.

You are living in the 21st century not the caveman days.

no one walks around claiming, 'i am antisemitic' but are labeled that by swine.

See how that works? it aint people taking up the identity, it is bigots labeling them because the pigs dont like the way someone believes.

For example; jews aint anything special or different as human beings than any other on the earth. They aint chosen by any god(s) no matter if they believe it themselves.

Likewise, ww2 was not about just jews (the holocaust only applying to jews)

These bridges are what YOU need to build. Not me!

I am trying to help you with removing the rhetoric from your vocabulary. Claiming a person is antisemitic is making you a bigot and for some reason, i do believe you can grow out of it.

if not, we are enemies!

I do not play the hypocracy game. So either grow up or you will have a bullseye on your head. ie... remember, when you post, you are labeling your opinion as what you represent.

You may wear the title 'women of mass destruction' but you will come to realize, I am the weapon of mass destruction (truth destroys ignorance).

All should have a chance, but i dont play well with bigots.

Are you learning? if so, just think it through... i need nothing from you as i will know by what YOU do.

KISS

 

Isn't it odd that brand new forum members go around accusing anyone and everyone of being against Semites in their first 10 posts? It is difficult enough to estimate the characteristics of the unknown forum member, but for a brand new forum member to go around accusing older forum members of hating Semites.... There must be some politically motivated interests behind such activity.

The only "race" is the human race. Within the human race, there are artificial divisions, such as religion, skin color, toe nails, funky hats, etc. "Race", thus means nothing more than he/she who is different from I. Racism is nothing other than the hatred of a group of people for being different.

 

Or perhaps they just read the posts and form opinions.

 

Total BS!

'Semitic' and 'Anti-Semitic' were scientific terms, introduced by scholars who studied oriental people, their languages and cultures, like Ernest Renan.

The Jew Moritz Steinschneider accursed Renan of 'Antisemitic Prejudices', because Renan pointed out that all semitic people have similar mentality.

What was the answer of Renan?

He said that Jews are not REALLY Semites, that only Judaism and the holy language of Jews is semitic, but Jews themselves were Europeans.

That is an example how the word 'Antisemitic' was used before Zionists hijacked and monopolised that term.

 

No Artchen

It was used by the nazis (you recall them I am sure) ...

"While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"),[3] and that has been its normal use since then.[4]

^ See, for example:
Jerome A. Chanes. Antisemitism: A Reference Handbook, ABC-CLIO, 2004, p. 150.
Rattansi, Ali. Racism: A Very Short Introduction, Oxford University Press, 2007, pp. 4–5.
Rubenstein, Richard L.; Roth, John K. Approaches to Auschwitz: the Holocaust and its legacy, Westminster John Knox Press, 2003, p. 30.
Johnston, William M. The Austrian Mind: An Intellectual and Social History, 1848–1938, University of California Press, 1983, p. 27.
^ a b See, for example:
Lewis, Bernard. "Semites and Antisemites". Extract from Islam in History: Ideas, Men and Events in the Middle East, The Library Press, 1973.
"Anti-Semitism", Encyclopaedia Britannica, 2006.
Johnson, Paul. A History of the Jews, HarperPerennial 1988, p 133 ff.
Lewis, Bernard. "The New Anti-Semitism", The American Scholar, Volume 75 No. 1, Winter 2006, pp. 25–36. The paper is based on a lecture delivered at Brandeis University on March 24, 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#cite_note-Judenhass-2


So it was not hijacked by the zionists but by the nazis, our former government...

 

You think?

TJ seems to think that people here should defer to older posters for some reason...

 

Another Jewish baiting post.

How sickening!

 

BTW this forum is for LATEST WORLD NEWS

 

Third thread and going strong....in the latest world news section on top of it.

 

There was no National Socialism in the 19th century, dude!

It seems that you know history from comic books and Hollywood pictures.



Marr was not a 'Nazi', he was a Judeophile.
And he never claimed that Arabs are not Semites.

What to National Socialists (like their main ideologist Alfred Rosenberg), they believed that Jews are 'bastard half brothers' of real Semites (speak Arabs).


http://www.politicalforum.com/3298882-post173.html

 

Hey "Dude", I never said the nazis invented it...they just perfected it!

The term was coined in Germany though (and not by the zionists) - see those numerous references.


Not sure why you are making reference to Marr now...how is that related to your claim that the zionists devised the term when it is well-established that the term was coined in Germany in the 19th century?

 

The term was coined by scholars in the 19th century to describe the Arabs and prejudices against them. Even Alfred Rosenberg talked about Arabs, when he referred to Semites.

Only ZIONISTS use this term excusively, because they are bigots.

 

If you read my OP continuation post, I explain why I continued the thread......and you will, if you can comprehend English, understand that I am not baiting Jews...I am commenting on a decision made by UEFA, (an organisation of which Israel, which is not a country of Jews btw, should not be a member anyway, as Israel is not a European country.)

I am commenting on the fact that Platini said “We accepted them[Israel] in Europe and furnished them with the conditions for membership and they must respect the letter of the laws and international regulations otherwise there is no justification for them to remain in Europe….Israel must choose between allowing Palestinian sport to continue and prosper or be forced to face the consequences for their behaviour.”

I am commenting on the fact that to date, Israel has not respected the letter of the laws and international regulations....and it appears that lily-livered UEFA has decided the "consequences" to be suffered is the hosting of a UEFA Championship final despite countries which do respect the letter of the laws and international regulations also having applied for the privilege.

And as a football fan, I am flaming incandescent about the rank hypocrisy of both Israel and UEFA!

I have, however, noticed that Israel makes a lot of promises re obeying the rules in order to be accepted by organisations, on, it appears, the premise that once they get in, they can do what they like, and nobody will go to the bother of throwing them out. They did it with the UN, the IAEA and various others and now they have added UEFA to the list..and as long as they are being allowed to dictate their own limits to their membership, they have no incentive to change their ways.

If others choose to ignore my OP, and respond only to the Thread Title or twist my OP to suit themselves, then what do they do do which is so different to everyone else on here.......including yourself?

 

That's another silly comment from the sectarian slander stable. The discussion has moved to THE LAW with regard to Zionist racism and some of these Zionist-imposed ' laws ' are RECENT as well as being racist. As THE LAW is itself an existential threat to Zionism I can appreciate your scurry for sectarian cover.

 

Recent is right.

If one was to ignore altogether the racist laws enacted before 2009, since 2009 there are, so far, 20+ new laws and currently-tabled bills, which directly or indirectly target Palestinian citizens of Israel.

Israel cannot claim to be a western democracy.....or a democracy at all....Israel is a non-democratic “ethnocracy”....very little different to the Islamic regimes they compare themselves so favourably against.

 

The term was polularised by Marr in an attempt to give a racial basis to jew hate (having felt the pressure to move on from a religious based hate called Judenhass). Of course it as a a ridiculous theory that attempted to distinguish between Aryians and jews racially, but there you have it. It really took off. No one has the qualms you do and it was used from then on as a term for the racial difference between jews and superior aryian races.

As you know the nazis courted arabs and got along relatively well with them, so we shall have to assume that Marr/Hitler meant what they said they did and not what you beleive they should have said.

In the meantime, Webster's must be a zionist.

Hitler too.

 

Liebe why are you so keen for this term to remain restricted to jew hatred across the globe?

What are we to call a general hatred of semitic people of varying religions?

 

Poor analysis. I find it to be silly for new members to be attacking forum members in their first 10 posts. Shouldn't one at least take some time communicating with strangers prior to insulting them? You are basically saying that you feel that it is best for one to misuse and abuse the anti-Semite card like worthless wadded up toilet paper instead of sharing communicating with forum members. It is better to talk to people to learn more about them, than to insult them due to ignorance.

 

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

How true that saying when it comes to this diatribe!

 

Why are you so keen on revisiting a term that has an established meaning?

I for one am not keen on anything but I am correcting false statements as to what the term means. I note that those promoting a change to the term have an agenda for the most part and also use terms like holohoax liberally.

As I have said, there is certainly islamophobia, sexism, racism in many forms but anti-semitism has one meaning only.

 

Usually, the reasoning for this is that one wishes to endlessly bombard Arab Semites with unconditional racist hatred while insulting liberals simply because they don't hate Jews. The anti-Semite card is a utility many white nationalists used against liberals.

 

Why the thin skin TJ? No one is being insulted or attacked anymore than usual.

I am not "basically" saying anything except what I actually say (and you tend to be sparse with quotes, instead preferring to draw your own interesting conclusions)

But I see you are back to toilet paper simile and that offers some sense of relief (excuse the pun).

 

Feel free to post a single quote of mine in which I bombard "Arab Semites with unconditional racist hatred while insulting liberals simply because they don't hate jews". I await quotes as usual.