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Discussion in 'Coronavirus Pandemic Discussions' started by Lesh, Sep 22, 2020.

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, we learn from those that went before us

    had Trump not changed the rules, they would still be alive

    Trump lied, people died
     
    FreshAir, Sep 26, 2020
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Orange Man Bad. Got it.
     
    LoneStarGal, Sep 26, 2020
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ That is the "Cuomo COVID Incubator" strategy to build herd immunity . DeBl@sio painted big letters on the sidewalk in New York City to celebrate the success. Brilliant ! :neutral: :sick::wierdface:
     
    James California, Sep 26, 2020
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    I am in what I like to call "late middle age." It isn't lying or downplaying to point out the fact, inconvenient for some folks, that most of the people dying are older or have heart problems or something else going on. Look it up. Study after study has confirmed that. And if that fact stops some of the hysteria or makes some people feel better, then good for Trump. The evidence confirms it whether you like it or not.

    The only issue I have with "protecting the vulnerable" is that I think, no matter how old, people should be treated with dignity and respect and, to me, that means even the elderly should have a choice in how they want to live. In many cases, protecting them means they will never see their families again and will die surrounded by strangers. I wonder how many would choose to live and die like that in return for living a few more years isolated.
     
    Bridget, Oct 15, 2020
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  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Orange man murderer, Enablers same

    Vote Them Out.
     
    Aleksander Ulyanov, Oct 15, 2020
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  6. Lesh

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    Yea, screw em... you need to get your nails done
     
    Lesh, Oct 15, 2020
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    WTF???
     
    Bridget, Oct 15, 2020
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Or you have to get your hair done ...
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    James California, Oct 15, 2020
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  9. Lesh

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    Yea...bad move. Did anyone get infected?

    TRUMP just admitted that he was positive for Covid when he had that fund raiser in New Jersey and MAY have been infected when he debated Biden .
     
    Lesh, Oct 15, 2020
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    306 to 232 electoral votes.
     
    Professor Peabody, Oct 15, 2020
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  11. Lesh

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    And that will likely change because of Trump's behavior
     
    Lesh, Oct 15, 2020
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    He's talking about who it MOSTLY affects. And he's 100% correct.
     
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    He's saying that the deaths of elderly folks and people with health issues

    DON'T MATTER
     
    Lesh, Oct 15, 2020
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    He is

    No question - still awaiting your rebuttal
     
    Bowerbird, Oct 15, 2020
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    In favour of Biden

    yes we know
     
    Bowerbird, Oct 15, 2020
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    compared to Trump holding a rally whilst he was still infected
     
    Bowerbird, Oct 15, 2020
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    Quote him saying that they "don't matter."
     
    chris155au, Oct 16, 2020
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    OK right, he didn't say EXACTLY that, and he didn't' pull some old guy out of the crowd and strangle him either, but besides doing that I don't know how much clearer he can be. If you're old, or overweight, or have diabetes or any other chronic condition you've just been sacrificed to make a higher stock market. Go ahead vote for the guy who wants to kill you if you're not a perfect specimen of youthful health
     
    Aleksander Ulyanov, Oct 16, 2020
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  19. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    He wasn't saying that they don't matter. If this thing killed on average 40 year olds like the Swine Flu, and it was just as contagious as COVID, then do you REALLY think that it would be treated with no more severity than COVID? Throughout history, do you suppose that a fair amount of people may have been saved from dying from the flu if only there had been a lockdown?
     
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  20. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Possibly and probably, it depends on the Flu. He was indeed saying that and I resent it. 70 is the new 50. We are not all just sitting at the nursing home and waiting to die.

    Are you talking of the so called "Spanish" Flu, or something else?

    As I understand it CORVID is not a flu. It comes from the same family of diseases that flus are a subset of, but it is not one of them
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    post deleted machine error
     
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    Just the normal seasonal flu. Think of how many lives could have been saved if only we had adopted some of the restrictions that we have adopted for COVID. Why didn't we?

    Yeah, but I've described a fictional virus which is far more serious: A virus which kills on average 40 year olds (like Swine flu) but just as contagious as coronavirus. Do you think that it would be more serious?
     
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  23. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Well, hell, think if this was Ebola

    And I think you're describing the Spanish Flu of 1918. Millions died from that both here and abroad and nothing was done, though it was urged, Very little was known about it back then.

    Conservative mythology notwithstanding this is about 10x more deadly than the flu, the flu kills really FAR fewer people than it infects, but still some because it infects so many.

    It's possible we should lockdown for the flu. Or let's go the other way. We spend literally trillions and suffer lots of inconvenience besides for our sewers. That saves us from cholera but hey, if you can survive two weeks of explosive diarrhea I think you have the "herd immunity" there.

    Think of the Army we could buy if we weren't spending it all on sewers.
     
    Aleksander Ulyanov, Oct 16, 2020
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Orange Man Enablers just as bad. Get it.
     
    Aleksander Ulyanov, Oct 16, 2020
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    So do you think that a virus which kills on average 40 year olds with the same death rate and contagiousness as coronavirus would be more serious than coronavirus?
     
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