Employers are fed up with college 'waste,' opt for skilled blue-collar workers instead

yeah we call this a waste of time and money. Imagine borrowing 65k to buy a car you could never drive?

Suggesting it's not as useful as it once was.

Typically less years than you have to spend in college. But money isn't everything.

Yeah people told me this when I started in a trade. It's extremely uncommon.

If you're looking for an apprenticeship, best thing for that is a time machine.

The world is indeed a different place.

One of the things that changed is it's available to everyone so more people will get them making the skill less valuable in the market place.

Do you know how much debt you'll have? Nothing there is exclusive to college we live in the information age.

The only thing you'd need calculus for is physics, engineering, or certain medical fields. Don't waste your time with that nonsense unless you need it. If you aren't going to use it because it is a language you'll lose it

I'd say you don't need to go into crippling debt for these. If you want to learn this stuff learn it.

Outside of checking boxes for career fields and far too many require degrees it's not necessary. You can learn about almost all of this without college. So if it's just about learning I see the value in learning but if you have to pay an institution extortion levels of money it may not be.

Mostly what it seems to mean outside of a few fields is a barrier to entry.

 

You're looking at it from a purely financial view point.

Not years less, by the time you're actually making decent money.

It depends on the trade, but no it's not.

No not really my stepson just did one.

No kidding

Depends on what field you're talking about.

It is, but going through the rigor of a classical education isn't something most people will duplicate on their own.

That is selling knowledge short.

That's true, but knowledge and staying current is on the individual.

I would think if you want to learn something you would.

I don't understand what you're saying there.

Yes, you can lean without college; but, will you?

That's not necessarily true, especially if you want to work for a quality company.

 

Fortunately the Biden administration has signed a huge infrastructure bill. Lots of construction jobs in there. That means welders will be needed. And diesel mechanics to service the trucks that will be needed.

You gonna vote Dem for all the jobs they will be creating for your kids?

 

That’s also why the government regulates for safety.
But regulation is a dirty word, right?

 

Education broadens the mind, which is anathema to people whose brains are steeped in qanon paranoia and always see others as out to get them.
The willfully ignorant need to be anti-intellectual to prop up their egos.

 

Did you ever think about learning why other people hold different political opinions than you instead of just demonizing them and lumping them together?

 

Lol…stop projecting.

 

I invite anyone to go and read my recent post list and then read yours.

 

yeah you don't have the money to just pay for it out right it's financially crippling for decades.

let's see you going to a trade like NDT after a year and a half of school and a doctor goes to medical school by the time he's done with his residency and barely made any money you could easily be clearing six figures.

it absolutely doesn't exist in any of the trades I've done.

for most trades it's still a time machine.

right your engineering mathematics degrees those are going to be difficult. Election but an MBA anybody can get one. Oh you need to do is go into crippling debt.

it's not something colleges duplicate either.

disagree you don't need to know Sanskrit unless you're translating ancient Persian manuscripts.

right so unless you want to do calculus for fun or go have a field day with a root canal don't bother.

right and it's that your fingertips in the information age you don't need to go push a brand new BMW off a cliff.

a lot of the times it's so called "official education" is about gatekeeping

far more than I ever could in college and for much cheaper.

No such thing as a quality company. The highest quality company is the one you start yourself working for somebody else to make them rich is pointless.

Such a arrangement should only be seen as a stepping stone, and thus quality doesn't matter because it's equally terrible

 

How do you define the word, “succeed?”

 

Road construction is going on all the time in The United States...lol

 

And Biden signed an EXTRA >$1 trillion in infrastructure spending. On roads, bridges, rail, public transport, water systems, power grid and more.

All of those things will need welders and diesel mechanics.
Aren’t you grateful to Biden for creating jobs for your kids?

 

Extra?...lol. That was money that was going to be spent anyway.

I wonder much of it goes to gender studies in Antarctica....lol

 

Was going to be spent anyway? Not without Biden’s infrastructure bill.
And no. Not on gender studies.

So we can see that you aren’t voting against Democrats because they are supposedly killing jobs for your kids. Because they aren’t. They are creating jobs for your kids.

No. You have decided to vote against Democrats and you are coming up with excuses to justify your choice.

 

Years less and less in debt…

 

Democrats are morons to the job market. If they were able to get the tax increase they advocated for (during the time of inflation lmao) they would have destroyed jobs even more so.

On top of that, The jobs they claim to have created were 90% jobs returning from a government forced shutdown. That’s like saying you created jobs on Monday because you opened back up after closing Friday night. It’s absolutely moronic.

Democrats are severely lacking in common sense if that can’t put that together. But after all they do believe a man can become a woman. Educated….. ha!

 

I have never know a College degree to be a barrier to getting a job. In many cases it's the difference in getting the job or not, even when the job has nothing to do with the degree held.

Education is only a waste of time and money if the person is a place holder, not a student.

 

Remember all those shovel ready jobs that Obama joke about "not being so shovel ready, after all....lol"?

 

No you don't put Democrat because they'll steal more of their money to gifts to GE Tesla and zelinsky.

You vote against Democrat if you want to keep money.

Actually earn the degree.

 

so you've never seen like on a job listing bachelor's degree required? That's making it a barrier to entry.

that makes it a barrier to entry. That's what that means. Essentially this is an employer saying you have to go into crippling debt to work for us even if we don't need you to.

That's a lot of people who go to college they're told they should because education is the golden key to a brighter future and it isn't any more at least.

 

I thought you were claiming the other way around; sorry.

A lot of people that go to college, shouldn’t, no question about that.

 

no worries.

yeah I think the rationale behind this is that should only go if you want a career that requires it and that careers that don't really require it shouldn't create it as a barrier to entry.

 

Who told you that? The size of the labor force is at all time high.

 

Traditionally getting a college degree was often considered proof that the individual was an achiever. That's why GPA's are important, it show's not only do you have stick-to-ativenss but that you can achieve a level of excellence. It's a legitimate measure employers still use. But, it's becoming less common.

Anyway College isn't for everyone, and it's not always a good measure of how and individual will perform. But that doesn't mean it's not a worthy endeavor for the right individual.

 

Its still true. It proves people are willing to work for it, and invest in themselves. The only thing that's new is the open hostility and resentment towards higher education displayed by the populist and pseudo-conservative factions.