Employers are fed up with college 'waste,' opt for skilled blue-collar workers instead

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  1. Joe knows

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    Fiscal stupidity was shutting down the work force and giving free money everywhere at the same time. That was complete idiocy that Biden tried to prolong much longer than any Republican wanted to continue.

    The skyrocketing deficit was an outcome of that not the tax code which to this day is still in effect and seen a record number of tax receipts with. It’s a fact that tax cuts produce economic activity. Government forced shutdowns were the culprit of skyrocketing deficits. I’m sorry you need that explained to you.
     
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    Tax increases on the rich. Do you have Short term memory loss?
     
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    Umm.....Trump was president when the economy was shut down

    You mean these checks with Trumps name on them? I told you, - he was an fiscal IDIOT. Poor guy thought he could buy the elections by shoveling taxpayer money at people, - even those who did not lose their jobs. First he shut down the economy, and then poured money on people. Stuuuuupid.

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    Well, decicits started rising fast in 2017, - Trumps 1st year in office and GDP growth remained anemic.

    There were no shutdowns in 2017, 2018 or 2019, while deficits were accelerating. In 2016 is was $560B and by 2019 it was up to a trillion. I’m sorry you need that explained to you. So, he made things worse, and they he poured gasoline on the fire by astronomical spending in 2020.
     

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    No, I do not, but I am not a mind reader.

    And no, that would not have destroyed the economy. Heck, the economy is so hot they had to hike the interest rates and even that hasn't been cooled it down.
     
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    It would have destroyed it. That’s exactly why they didn’t do it although it was a campaign promise.
     
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    Candidates can promise the moon from the sky, but its the Congress who passes laws. Even if they had passed it, it wouldn't have had much effect )proposal of 1.2% hike for earnings over $400,000). The economy was not destroyed before the tax cuts and it would not be destroyed if the old rates were restored. We keep cutting taxes and now half of the nation don't pay any income taxes at all, and then people sit back and wonder why the debt increases.
     
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    Some of the best education and job training you can get is doing a military stint … and get get paid to learn … it’s how I kicked off my engineering career …
     
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    It would have definitely destroyed it.
     
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    If you cant go into a career where you pay off the debt in 4 years it wasn't worthwhile.
    All of my tests in welding class were scantrons. the instructor normally had them all graded before class was over.
     
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    That’s short sighted. On the other hand the difference between when I was at school and today is stark. These United States should be doing much more for our young adults. Instead we subject them to predatory lending if they have any hope of getting a degree.

    I’m sure that works well for welding. But wouldn’t work at all for composition, mathematics or most upper level courses.

    Don’t misunderstand, I applaud and admire teachers and professors that take their subjects and students seriously enough to put in the long hours of grading to produce a quality education for their students. I am not that person.
     
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    Disagree if you can't earn back the money you spent on it it's an expense not an asset.
    I think the solution is allowing loan holders to default instead of making them debt slaves. This will make college more prone to reasonableness. They'll have skin in the game.

    Isn't that what grad students are for?
     
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    An education is an investment in an asset.
    Why make the loan in the fist place then? Wouldn't it be better for the government, through grants and work study programs or directly, fund education without banksters in the middle?
    How? By the time a student graduates and defaults the college would already have their money.
    Nope!
    Yes, in many cases; but not always. Still they papers still need graded by somebody. My only point on that is "I" don't want to be the "somebody".
     
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    FYI, calculus is used by investors, derivatives and hedge funds. Calling calculus useless is as naive as it gets. Banks and insurance companies use applied calculus to determine whether or not someone gets a loan or insurance and the rate.
     
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    College is necessary to become a skilled professional in many areas, BUT, just hiring someone because they have a college degree is useless if you aren't going into a skilled profession. Many college kids are dumb as a box of rocks. Just getting a degree isn't worth ****.
     
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    Not necessarily, and why GPA’s are a factor in hiring decisions.
     
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    it's useless to most people. To say it's useful to most people because investors may use a principal or two from it is far more naive.
    As I understand it calculus is more about geometry you might be thinking algebra.
     
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    it's only an investment if you get a return. Certainly isn't an asset you can't sell it.
    no think about all the debt collectively held by students who hope that and add that on to our national debt.

    Also when the government from something it tends to turn it to garbage. Look at how terrible public schools are. You want to make that college too
    yeah so loan agencies wouldn't be so willing to loan money to them for all the crazy crap people borrow money for. And the school couldn't go crazy with it because nobody would pay.
    fair enough
     
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    No you just don't understand the uses of calculus.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dic...ary,annuity premiums, reserves, and dividends
    person who calculates insurance and annuity premiums, reserves, and dividends
     
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    You realize that compounding interest is a calculus-based concept? Do you think most people don't need to understand the principle of compound interest?
     
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    Are you sure about that the come hunting interest equation that I learned is more along the lines of algebra.

    I never took any calculus classes. I never needed it.
     
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    The continuous compounding interest equation is a differential equation.

    https://math.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Differential_Equations/Differential_Equations_(Chasnov)/03:_First-Order_ODEs/3.04:_Applications

    dS/dt=rS+k,

    Where S is the capital, dS/dt is the change in capital over time, k is the annual deposit amount, and r is the interest rate. Solving this equation requires calculus.
     
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    No, you don't understand it.

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    Your problem is you're wrapped around the money axle; life isn't all about money.
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    You're changing your augment again. To what I'm not sure, but that's ... that doesn't even make sense.
    Read that, you're talking about the government that built the most successful nation ... ever.
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    That depends on where you live, my grand children are getting an excellent public education.
    The student debt problem has been caused by the privatization of student loans and curtailment of government student aid that makes the loans more necessary.
     
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