Employers are fed up with college 'waste,' opt for skilled blue-collar workers instead

that depends on the career I really think employers do this to try and reduce the amount of resumes they have to read.

Specifically for jobs that don't require a college degree to do.

Also I've run into a lot of people who get their college degree and then feel entitled so it's the opposite of stick to this I've got this so now I don't have to stick to anything.

I think it should only ever really be pursued if you want a career with that involves leaving college degree.

My partner is an example of this he wanted to be a teacher that's the job you have to have a college degree for.

 

There is that. Which makes no sense at all.

 

I guess a lazy HR person could factor in, but by and large companies find that college graduates bring something to the table non-grads don’t or they wouldn’t seek them out.

If an employer is looking for someone with a degree to fill his job then that job requires a college degree.

I know people that think their **** doesn’t stink because they have a degree. But equally often people attribute that to them because they’re envious of the degree.

Then you’re missing the point of college. College is to become educated, it’s not a trade school. At least that’s what it should be.

I hope he’s a learner too.

 

I just think it's snobbery

but the work itself doesn't necessarily require a college degree.

Nobody is jealous of crippling debt.

you can become educated without crippling debt.

We both are. For him college was just a hazing ritual. A barrier to entry. He did struggle with some of the math but I'm pretty skilled with so I helped him. This was pointless and it was just to extract more money from him. Because he's an English teacher he doesn't teach math. He didn't need to relearn algebra.

 

That’s obvious.

It’s really hard to say what an education adds to anything. It certainly doesn’t hurt.

There is that, but isn’t that an indication that the financial part is broken, not the education?

True

You’re still missing the point.

 

education doesn't require college.

you don't need college for education.

If the point is just to learn it so you can learn it you can do that for free. Or for much cheaper than paying some institution.

If the point is to jump through a hoop so you can get a job then that's even worse.

If I'm getting your points wrong clear them up.

I can see no point and wasting time and money at a college you can get almost everything they provide for free or for a very little money.

So if the point isn't to get educated and it isn't to get a job what the hell is the point?

 

It’s plain your mind is made up. Yes knowledge can be acquired anywhere, anytime in many ways for free.

But there is something to be said for guided learning by someone who has years of experience doing it. I’m sure you’ll have an valid counter point so … good for you.

 

Nobody can ever tell me what is exclusive to college what you can't get somewhere else. You've been hinting at that but she was never directly said what it is.

I can see some benefit to learning from somebody a particular thing that they have devoted their life to. But generally college professors don't have experience if they did they wouldn't be professors. That's not a very high paying job it is a labor of love.

So there's something to be said for it I just don't know if it's the end I'll be all.

I'm not trying to make counterpoints I'm trying to understand what is so special what is exclusive to college.

 

You need to be told that? Under Trumps tax code we have the largest workforce in history. If Biden changed that the numbers would have been different.

 

Well, there's really no way to tell you better than I've tried to.

OK one more try, here's a couple more personal experiences. I had two excellent Professors for Analytical Trigonometry and Calculus. (In my experience you're wrong about professors btw!) Could I have dug either of those subjects out of a book? Analytical Trig no way, and since it's foundational to Calculus ... no probably not. Those two men really knew their stuff and would not accept anything but excellence from their students. I will go to my grave with the deepest admiration for them. OH, which reminds me of another course, our Constitution. The man I took that class from wrote the book on it (he actually wrote the text book we used), and like the my Math professors he too changed my life. I will always be thankful for the love of OUR Constitution, and consequently OUR nation, that he instilled in me. I could have read the Constitution 50 times and never understood it the way I do now. Yeah, I could go back to my math books, I still have them, and get up to speed fairly easily ... "now"! Only because of the rigor that my professors put me through all those years ago. I could NEVER have done it by myself, to the degree they took me to, the first time.

One more thought, you may teach yourself something but will it be the life changing experience you can get from a devoted instructor? My experience says no!

If that doesn't do it for you I have nothing more to offer. Good luck!

 

Under tRaitor tRump's McConnell's tax code the rich got richer, OUR debt sky rocketed and the poor got poorer. And! Joe Biden has made the best of it in spite of, not because of McConnell's trickle down 2.0

 

Biden had the chance to do away with it and didn’t. They controlled all three branches of government and did not do so. They knew it would cripple the economy if they did.

 

It's not that easy. It would NOT have crippled the economy. Which has no way of being proven so it's your opinion against mine.

 

I attended college for a number of years they couldn't tell me either.

I agree teachers can really engage with the subject. Also I said being a professor is a labor of love. You have to love that subject to get other people to live it.

I've had math teachers that made me appreciate math. I didn't fully appreciate history and the Constitution until I took some courses on it.

 

I'm not surprised. Did you ever graduate?

So that's a 180 from your prior post.

 

No, it’s not. Every tax increases always come at the expense of economic growth. That’s a fact, not an opinion

https://taxfoundation.org/research/...cate that,promoting long-term economic growth.

 

More than once

No, I was talking about college but teaching. I've been a teacher not in any institution but I've taught a number of things. You have to be into that you do it for a living. I have respect for this profession my partner is a teacher.

He works mostly at a public school but teaches dance in the summer.

 

That makes me wonder why you're so cynical about higher ed???? But;

Go back and read your posts ... that's not the impression I got at all.

That's not true, I've known several college professors and they did well, to quite well. That said the only college, high school too, class I would be interested in teaching would be PE, everything else requires too many hours grading papers.

 

I guess it depends on what you read. This article claims quite the opposite.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/effects-of-income-tax-changes-on-economic-growth/

 

I'm not cynical about it. I just don't think it is right for everyone. More importantly it isn't right for everyone right after high school.

I just don't think the only place for teachers are in schools.

My partner is an English teacher, and he teaches 7th and 8th grade. So, he gets to read compositions. I have helped him before, but it never takes more than about a day to do that. I have taught many things outside of school. I would consider being a welding instructor at my alma Mater

 

I never tried to say college is for everyone, in fact quite the opposite. My contention in our conversation that it IS a worthwhile endeavor; which I felt your vibe was that it's an over priced wast of time.

Obviously not, but that's not what we've been discussing.

I worked as a student aid to finance my education. As one of my jobs I had to grade remedial and college algebra exams, it's mind numbing. At least it was for me. There's not enough money in the world to get me to do that again. Well, not as a career. I think there would be some exams in welding ... not for me.

 

I think colleges and universities are putting themselves out of business by replacing academics with indoctrination. The rise of internet and mail order colleges could be the final nail. The situation is certainly self inflicted.

 

This study ignores the effects of tax increases while nine did not. Which still makes my claim true, that if they did do what Biden wanted it would have destroyed the economy.

 

In my freshman year, I had a roommate who came from a conservative evangelical home. He was from those evangelicals who goes to church three times a week, vote only for pro-life candidate regardless of the party. Anyway, he would always say “ I am the first in the family to go to college”. I visited his family, and they were very proud of their son. The father said to me “I worked with my hand all my life, but I want my son to use his brain rather than his hand”. This is how the civilized world always wanted the next generation to do better than the previous generation.

Today blue-collar conservative realized that their kids come back from college and kids no longer want to live in same culture, believe in same life-style or believe in same God. Blue-collar conservative would love their kids graduate from college, come home and live the same conservative lifestyle they are living past 50 years. But that is not happening. Blue-collar conservative realized sending kids to college means end of their culture, end of their way of life. So, they hate college now, they hate higher education and they would rather their kids work with hand and preserve the conservative lifestyle.

Unfortunately for these conservatives “time and tide wait for no man”. They may hate college, they may think if they don’t send kids to college they can prolong the conservative culture. But as we have seen throughout history, one culture must diminish for another culture to flourish. Time is up for white conservative culture in America. sadly some can’t accept the reality.

 

I look up facts. I askes you where you heard the claim you made.

Who told you that?

The economy is growing at 4.9% rate. Cutting taxes too much comes at the cost of skyrocketing deficits, and sure enough, deficits begun to skyrocket as soon as Trumps taxcuts were passed. Unfortunately the cuts did not deliver better economic growth, as GDP remained below average.

Those tax cuts were a textbook example of fiscal irresponsibility, and stupidity.

What is it that you think he wanted?