Enough already ..open up America !!

1. We're already in a depression.

2. The American people aren't as dumb as you seem to think. We'll "rise up" when the science tells us we can do so without getting sick or getting others sick.

We can rebuild our economy, as we've done before, but we can't bring the dead back to life.

 

Horse pucky. You made a statement, I questioned it, and this is your response?

 

Such a weak and nonsensical answer ^^^

 

Thank you, Louisiana75, for seeing the light. Yes, staying shut to May 31 will work.

 

I thought I gave an adequate response to the question so I'm a bit surprised that you don't understand it. But I will try to break it down into some tiny bits and baby bird feed you.:

We are currently (most of the country) under some sort of lock down.

I propose that we open up except for the few hot spots in the country.

At this point, you seemed to not understand how that would be enforced.

At this point, I explained that we would do the same thing we are doing now, only just for the hot spots.

Now, you are at the horse pucky stage, so I guess I'm going to need to you explain why you don't question how a near nationwide lock down is being enforced now, but to limit to just a few areas is ridiculous.

 

We do not have anywhere near the testing and tracking capacity that SK has.

Those are key requirements for relaxing contact policy and opening businesses.

 

There are people with actual contagious disease expertise who are starting to work on a plan that will probably look like that to some degree. That's not going to be an easy task.

We don't have anything at all like "a near nationwide lockdown". There are no travel restrictions to help protect places that aren't hotspots from places that are. There are still states that have no state wide policy on contact, travel, etc. We don't have anywhere CLOSE to the testing capacity that is used by SK and other nations that are doing some amount of opening.

Plus, the nation is rife with "hotspots" that are growing (or can grow) exponentially.

If you open your restaurant, those in the nearby "hot spot" ARE going to visit.

 

Do you believe that those non hot spots you want to "open up" will somehow be immune? Are you unaware of the current per capita infection rates in some rural areas?

This is a week old, but shows the trend. Scroll down to the graphics if you prefer that to reading.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/map-reveals-hidden-u-s-hotspots-of-coronavirus-infection/

How would you prevent city dwellers from going to their vacation homes in rural areas?

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...acation-homes-more-susceptible-to-coronavirus

Will you advocate using our already over-worked police to check everyone's "papers" as they leave the urban areas? How would that work in spread-out places like Atlanta and Los Angeles, where there are numerous roads in and out of those areas?

And when the inevitable happens, the health care infrastructure in rural areas (facilities, supplies, staff, etc.) Is not ready.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/12/covid-19-georgia-rural-areas-174999

Perhaps a little more thought is required, and we should try to put some trust in those who are proving that they know what they're doing, so far. Social distancing and staying home is working. Those in rural areas should remain just as cautious as the rest of us.

(Note that I did not resort to snarkiness towards you. I'm being civil, and I hope you'll be the same.)

 

Trump has no authority to open anything.

He can only make suggestions.

 

you cannot block all the roads seperating NY, NJ, FL, MASS, Ill, MICH, from the rest of the country.

its unconstitutional.

 

If we open up too soon, the virus will spread wild again and we will have to shut down...again.

sorry but we will not be reopening until we are ready, according to the data

 

Again, I don't believe it's that easy. If some area near a hot spot is open for business, those from the hot spot WILL go there periodically or as commuters - for shopping, work, entertainment, friends, etc. Plus, what we see as hot spots is somewhat poorly identified. For example, the highest number of new cases per capita in WA is a county in the deserts of eastern WA. And, analysis of excess deaths shows that there are undoubtedly large numbers of COVID related deaths that aren't being counted. This also indicates that our case counts are skewed. We don't have NEARLY the number of tests that would allow for testing those who are dead - or the general public.

Many experts say we need testing capacity and contact tracking before we consider opening. Then, any plan for opening needs to include how we do that.

We know we have a month before cosidering opening. During that time we need to get serious about our testing capacity - something we've know is seriously important since the very start of this contagion, and something other countries have been more successful at accomplishing.

 

I don't think we "know" that we have a month before opening. Opening and closing seems to be arbitrary.

Let me break down my point like this:

Lafayette County Florida has one reported case (currently) and no deaths. Miami-Dade has 7241 cases and 97 deaths (currently). The idea that every restaurant and store in Lafayette must remain closed because someone from Miami may drive hundreds of miles to go to the Bealls Outlet sounds absurd to me.

 

Now that Cuomo and other governors are discussing opening their states back up, many leftist are doing a 180 on this issue. Whereas Trump wanted to kill Americans by opening up the economy, Cuomo is a genius.

 

We will open up when the scientists and doctors say its safe to do so.

not one second earlier.

 

Any two locations hundres of miles apart may have a population between those locations.

I would not say that any of these decisions are arbitrary. It has more to do with there being local differences (as you point out), there has been little planning and there are multiple factors.

 

The fact that there are people working on plans for relaxing policy does NOT mean that there is any agreement even just on what factors to consider.

Trump jsut wants to do it, and even went so far as stating it would happen on Easter. He spent Easter raging at Dr. Fauci as a representative of medical science it would seem.

Others want to be guided by medical science to ensure there isn't a "rebound" effect.

I don't see anyone making a 180 on this issue. Everybody wants us to be open. It's preposerous to suggest that Cuomo didn't want NY to be open.

 

Trump in charge?

 

You always prove my point, thanks again. Cuomo good, Trump bad, LOL.

 

I don't see this as funny.

Regardless of the president, it would still be up to states to make most of the decisions on the kinds of policy required for contagious disease response in their state - informed by medical science and state issues.

The USA has NEVER had a president show less leadership on a national problem, and that is certainly unfortunate. Pretending that is a partisan opinion is just plain unsupportable nonsense.

 

I see the dems as hilarious how quickly they will change their tune based on who says it. You've all been calling Trump a killer for even mentioning opening the economy back up, and he has a team of doctors and scientist working with him. Cuomo begins the discussion today , with several other governors , he's the greatest leader ever. Please make up your mind.

 

Everybody in the USA knows America will rebound.

Trump said he would do it on Easter (among other totally nonsense date proposals with NO justification). THAT was very obvious garbage to anyone who listens to science at all. And, lethal garbage at that as it served to reduce concern for following what contagious disease experts were repeatedly stating.

Today, nobody is talking about a date. They ARE talking about what conditions and what prep need to be met and how to go about it.

That is rational planning. Nobody can possibly object to rational planning.

 

Trump never said he would do it on Easter. He did make the comment back in March that he would like to open it on Easter (because of what the day represents), he never said he would. And did he? No. I see you're really running with your false info that he planned on Easter though. It helps your argument but now that I've pointed out the truth, you'll have to do better.

Nobody is talking about a date, but yet Trump wants to kill Americans and Cuomo is an economic genius. Even you have to admit the hypocrisy is obvious here.

 

Remember, Louisiana75, you were saying LA had no real issue with CV19 just before it blew up the state and you ran away from postings.

You are every bit as wrong in this thread as the LA Covid19 thread.

Trump has been and will continue a failure in this crisis unless he lets Dr. Fauci becomes the Czar of Covid Recovery.

 

Cuomo is taking action based on the best data available. Trump raves at medical experts in contagious disease.

Cuomo's statements provide real leadership. His success has to be recognized, as it is an example.