Enough already ..open up America !!

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  1. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    FASTER, PLEASE: Report: Trump Pushing ‘Behind Closed Doors’ To Reopen Much Of U.S. Next Month.

    According to The Fake News Washington Post‘s sources, President Trump has been pushing “behind closed doors” to “reopen much of the country next month,” an effort the Fake News Post notes has some health experts sounding the alarm out of fear of a possible “resurgence” of COVID-19.

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  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Most places groceries, hardware stores, and GUN SHOPS are still open.

    Now, yes, the bars are generally closed, and this seems to be worth thousands of deaths to many.
     
  3. Louisiana75

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    I'm not even sure what to say about this reply. So you think all the economic hardship forced onto employees and small businesses across the nation is just over a few bars that were closed.
     
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    We're just getting to the peak of this thing. Now is definitely not the time to let our guard down. We got to 20K deaths in 40 days, and the numbers are still on an upward trend. If we open up, now, we'll have to start all over again.
     
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    Psssh , according to the previous poster, it's just a few bars closed down, no economic distress for the nation at all. Nothing to worry about.
     
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    Yeah - I'm not paying attention to the idiots on either side of the aisle. I'm sticking to what all the worldwide doctors and experts in stats, forecasting & pandemic science are saying. The economy is suffering, not doubt. The little guys are getting hit hard. We're doing our best to support local by cooking less frequently and picking up takeout, but there's only so much we can do. My heart goes out to everyone, all of us, who are living through this.

    I don't want to imagine the economic clutster-bleep that happens if we let this thing run wild through the country. We can't afford for this to get to the middle of the country. We need to food supply chain to stay healthy.
     
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    I do think we should remain shut down for the month of April, but anything longer than that isn't going to work. My original post was having doubts about many able to handle it till the end of the month
     
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    Oh bull FECES too. The Republic isn't going to fall if the nation is "shut down" for a few weeks more. What we MIGHT notice is that it really makes a LOT less difference than anyone thought it would.

    And that might get people looking at Andrew Yang's ideas more seriously, maybe we need to take a good look at just how many people any society needs to have working how hard all the time. Just how many things are we really making in the Post-Industrial economy anyway? And aren't most all of our automated factories still going? I know that all conservatives believe that anyone even suggesting that it's proper to do anything but fall into bed from exhaustion at the end of our 16 hour day 6 times a week ( Sunday is for the 10 hour sermon, you heathen) is an atheistic commie pedophile, (unless they own the company and then they NEED that pool time). But who knows, maybe the "pointy-bearded perfessor" types who've been telling us this since I was in college back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth knew something after all.
     
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    Be quiet, Louisiana75. You have been hiding since I proved your wrong repeatedly, to the point that LA was gaining cases and would continue to do so when you were denying it. I posted the actual figures and you disappeared.

    Now listen up. Trump is between a rock and a hard place, of his own making I might add.

    If he opens up too early, a resurgence of the virus will strike and kill his re-election bid.

    If he opens us too late, a Greater Recession will strike and kill his re-election bid.

    He has to get his obese torso through the eye of the needle dilemma.

    Best of luck, Mr. President, you are going to need it.
     
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    Fingers crossed. I hope we can. Peak deaths was supposed to be yesterday, but we are close to yesterday's total deaths already, with six hours to go.
     
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    I had heard they thought deaths would peak today, but deaths are not an indicator in the actual peak of the virus since deaths lag behind as much as two weeks since those people were infected 2 to 3 weeks prior.
     
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    Yes, understood. We've been increasing our daily new cases every day for weeks. Right now, we're hitting 100K/day, worldwide. We've gone from 1 million to 1.7 million on seven days. A lot due to increased testing, which is very good.

    Tomorrow is Easter. It could be a game-changer. I'm hopeful people will stay home, but that Pastor in PA scares me --- he wants a Woodstock style Easter event to blow the covid away.

    Kentucky will be jotting down license plate numbers of church goers and requiring quarantine for two weeks. (Six churches in KY are opening tomorrow.)
     
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    Every couple weeks we lose X number of small businesses, X number of jobs. And if we need to pay people NOT to work we have too many people. We’re paying retired people through SS earned through younger people working. If the younger people aren’t working then kiss goodbye the money paying the older people. And there is plenty of work. Americans just think they’re above manual labor. We should pay to move people to places where they can do all the manual labor and if they don’t work they get no money. Our country is doomed if we have to pay people NOT to work. We can pay them to fix the roads. Clean up parks. Fix bridges. Build a wall, ect. No one should get paid to do nothing. That’s insane.

    Well definitely have to start instituting baby licenses or something to stop all the stupid people from breeding because guess what they’re going to be doing. Or more simply neuter anyone who accepts these payments because we certainly don’t want their genes being passed down:)
     
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    ~ It's too late. We are stupid ...
     
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    I generally agree that enough is enough. There are only a few geographic areas that are hotspots and I have no problem with them remaining shut down, but that doesn't describe the majority of the country. But hysteria is a powerful drug and the country is awash in it. It is a good purifier to know who is irrational and who isn't.




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    It is working only temporarily. Virus should hit at least 50% of population before it gets weaker.
    Right thing to do (that is hard to do) is to isolate elderly and sick people exposing young and healthy to the virus.
    Due to constant adaptation and modification virus is losing its strength when it coming out of the person with good immune system.
     
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    You project so much nonsense on a serious topic.. Why...
     
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    And, how do you propose to enforce preventing people from traveling from a "hot spot" to a Non-hot spot?

    I assume that you have how to enforce that all worked out?

    Do tell.
     
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    We still do not know that. Authorities are publishing only absolute numbers, instead of real statistics. For some reason they do not present how much people are affected by the virus this year in comparison with moving average of last e.g. 30 years.
     
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    ~ The U.S. Republic has been failing for the last 40 years. We are steadily moving towards totalitarian socialism - with news media on the side of big government.
    Work is important for a healthy society based on finance/taxation and contribution. Work gives people purpose and a feeling of self worth. Psychologically it is very important ! Hopefully you enjoy your work and are content. If not opportunity to move occupations are there in the U.S.
    Andrew Yang means well but his ideas are actually too simplistic and not practical.
     
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    The people in hot spots should still be locked down.
     
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    How do you propose keeping those "at risk" folks from getting this horror when all those young folks get it?

    My friend got it probably from delivered Pizza. She had been isolated for almost two weeks when she got it. Her only contact with anyone outside her home was delivery

    What happens when all those young people overwhelm the healthcare system and those "at risk" folks need healthcare (as they are prone to do)?

    That's an idiotic idea
     
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    I bet you would like that. You actually think "red states" dont have hospital resources? LOL
     
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    ~ I long for the common head cold and sore throat. Thank you CHINA ... :cry: :rage:´:steamed:
     
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    That could easily mean she got it just before going into isolation. It can take up to two weeks for symptoms to arrive.

    I'm not arguing we should open the world, now. We absolutely should not while deaths and new cases / day are as high as they are.

    And it's not just elderly - it's all of below. Several of these conditions can attack any age group. I have a friend with severe asthma. She's 40-ish. She stay away from all the things that cause attacks, yet she still gets them. She is a necessary worker, so she has to be out and about. A young person who carries it without symptoms could easily pass it to her.

    • People with chronic lung disease or moderate to severe asthma
    • People who have serious heart conditions
    • People who are immunocompromised
      • Many conditions can cause a person to be immunocompromised, including cancer treatment, smoking, bone marrow or organ transplantation, immune deficiencies, poorly controlled HIV or AIDS, and prolonged use of corticosteroids and other immune weakening medications.
    • People with severe obesity (body mass index [BMI] of 40 or higher)
    • People with diabetes
    • People with chronic kidney disease undergoing dialysis
    • People with liver disease
     

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