Ex-Transgender Teenager Sues Kaiser Permanente over Double Mastectomy

I stopped reading this thread on page 3 because it sucks to see a 13 year old mutilated in advancement of a cause and doctors profiting from it. But anyway, here is my contribution.


New York woman, 33, is arrested after letting her 10-year-old son get a tattoo of his name 'in full-size block letters' on his forearm in motel they lived in

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-allowing-10-year-old-son-tattoo-forearm.html

 

Yes, because that’s what hospitals do…emotional blackmail. For phuck sake….

 

Treatment of severe gender dysphoria

Numerous articles, medical journals, and studies have already been posted.

No one has said circumcision is equivalent to the breasts — it is an analogy to prove you people don’t really have an issue with surgery on minors against their consent in general.

 

Lets see how this plays out. I'm guessing some high and mighty liberal elite doctor in general told them "it beats potential suicide"

 

Its a WEAK analogy at best. you keep saying all this medical journal crap but this is a REAL PERSON that this happened to. Is she in the medical journals? Screw the medical journals, I believe PEOPLE, real people

 

Honest question — you are the first poster taking the position that I believe has the integrity to answer — if this treatment saves the life of or improves the mental condition of the individual, why should it be banned?

 

You really do have a massive chip on your shoulder, eh?

 

One that you cannot answer…

And in real people, the majority of the time this type of treatment is shown to reduce suicidal ideation and increase general wellbeing.

Why are you so easily discounting those individuals?

 

No I am saying that this person is riding a wave to a money pot. I would really like to see why this surgery was done in the first place. If this was a breach of medical ethics then fine take it to court and sue thier arses off BUT putting laws in place that stop medical interventions is asking for trouble as the world is not that simple. Let’s say this person has CAIS. complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. Born XY but the body does not respond to testosterone - ever. This is just one of a myriad of “intersex” problems that may require intervention. The answer is not outrage and useless laws but putting in place safeguards like ethics panels. This is probably especially important in countries like the USA that do not have a UHC.

 

They absolutely do. Not saying anything similar happened in this case but I was pushed hard by a dr to allow an acne treatment for my son. Emotional blackmail is a very good description.

 

Or... or... Just maybe the extent of the surgery really is important. Damn elementary reasoning.

 

Treatment recommendations do not equal emotional blackmail. Otherwise I guess every doctor who’s ever recommended a course of treatment is guilty of emotional blackmail. Should doctors NOT offer treatment recommendations so you can feel good they aren’t “emotionally blackmailing” you?

 

After reading Chloe's lawsuit and part of Janes lawsuit the list of their mental issues are staggering and it very well could be as si

That's some crap shoot deciding but Jane had suicidal thoughts going back to 6 and became a cutter .
There are mental illnesses that will not go away and hopefully medication and age can ease them somewhat.
You have a teen that suffers mentally, emotionally,socially etc and all of a sudden decide their trans.
Chloe decided she was trans from the internet, which is so common.
Both girls are said to have been 11 when they claimed being trans, so pre-puberty or puberty, which is NOT a timeline to all of a sudden run with your kids to a trans medical institution.

These are 2 cases where both females weren't transgender yet got their parents to jump on the medical trans wagon and the rest is history.

Parents need to be educated and then educated some more especially when it's like these 2 cases where at 11 they want their parents to believe that their being trans will be the end all be all to all of their misery.

I think both Chloe and Jane /parents /lawyers are looking for a fast settlement and don't want to touch a trial.

 

No you are lumping all of this in one messy box. What pings me off about this is some of it is a reaction to the intersex community (aka DSD) who have been lobbying for a stop to gender reassignment on babies and a change to birth certificates so that it can list male/female/ other

 

There have been numerous lawsuits over botched circumcision surgeries and there are tons of men that feel robbed by their parents of being “intact”. Some go as far as to undergo medical treatment as well as surgical grafting in attempts to reverse that procedure.

I bet you immediately discount and ignore those men though because you have been — to use a favorite word of the right — groomed to think it is normal and natural.

Why is it so easy for you to discount thousands of cases in that instance but a handful of instances in attempts to treat a major psychiatric issue where the potential ramifications is death that fail is enough for you to ban something for everyone?

You know you could research these things before you ask and destroy your own point.

That I provided you three sources that you failed to even read that answer your question show you are not interested in the facts here
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6546862/

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/heal...tion-confirmation-or-sex-reassignment-surgery

https://tau.amegroups.com/article/view/3748/html

 

Give us proof. How many?

https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/

 

The so-called guidelines used to determine if a child/teen is transgender is not fool proof.
Both these girls claimed at 11 they were trans and it turns out they're not.

 

abortions?

 

No surgeon is forced to perform an elective surgery on anyone. A doctor has the right to refuse to do the procedure. If a woman tells a plastic surgeons she wants boobs the size of watermelons, he doesn't have to agree to do the procedure.

 

I was talking about the surgery the thread is about. If you’d like to talk about abortions I believe there are tons of threads you can post in or you can start your own thread. Good luck.

 

And that’s what I always hate about these discussions.

You can show them an incident rate of 1 or 2 percent and instead of stopping for just a minute to say yes, maybe it is beneficial for most but we need to work on preventing it from damaging those 1 or 2 percent they immediately just back into calling everyone child mutilators or whatever fun buzz word they are using that week.

I just don’t understand how anyone can be so ideologically locked into an idea that facts and evidence cannot even make them think for a ****ing moment.

I sometimes imagine a world…

 

I never said anything about being forced. You’re creating a straw man argument. Good bye.

 

Now on page 7 of leftist thinking chopping off kids body parts is ok. The kids of leftist are going to need a lot of therapy in the coming years. Our nation is ****ed if we don't change something soon.

 

I said a doctor could refuse a procedure and you asked for proof. If you don't want an answer, don't ask.

 

If they are on puberty blockers then they do not know what they are missing yet. They'll find out the not-so "HARD" way later in life.
Lets keep in mind this is a CHILD. I'm OK with adults doing this. Hell I'm even OK with 16+ doing this as I consider them young adults. But a 13 yr old? Come on man. reach into those pockets and pull out some morals will ya?