Ex-Transgender Teenager Sues Kaiser Permanente over Double Mastectomy

What if I say to cut off his foreskin?

 

They didn’t. They preformed a medical procedure authorized by the parents in the course of treating a child’s gender dysphoria with the best practices known at the time.

I have noticed you are not really discussing the medial end of this but rather how you feel about it.

 

Correct, it is a mental illness

The treatment of which is sometimes surgical. Sometimes it can be resolved with therapy or medication. Sometimes all treatment is not effective and the individual takes their own life.

I am not giving any time to address your emotional outburst, if you cannot contain yourself then I will simply remove those items from my responses going toward.


What do you believe should be done if non-surgical treatment is not effective in treating this mental illness? Would you rather the child take its own life vs receiving this level of treatment?

 

Please cite the medical literature that shows that sex change procedures provide better outcomes for "gender dysphoria" patients.

 

False dilemma.

 

Is this your way of trying to justify cutting off kids breasts?

It's hard to believe this is how society has "progressed" just in recent years. Here we are.

 

Why not just chop his penis off since you're claiming it's similar?

 

Feeding a mental illness with an irreversible surgery is never a "treatment".

 

The medical end? Meaning the girl who no longer has her real breasts?

 

What I found strange and then very telling is that Chloe (Cole) Brockman's ( the other lawsuit against Kaiser and there's a thread here) parents have never been identified, are not listed as plaintiffs in her lawsuit and have never spoken out publicly..
Chloe travels throughout the US lecturing and imo: her parents should be right there with her warning parents, yet they aren't.
Something is up with that, we'll see if this young gal does the cricut and if her parents show up.
It is an epidemic with teens today and imo: can not be compared to the very young kids,toddlers as young as 2.5 yrs to 3 yrs who insist they're the opposite sex and still see themselves as the opposite sex they were assigned at birth and it's 5-6 yrs later.
If insurance companies stop covering under 16 and under 18 that could nip it right now.

 

Yes, that's not a functioning body part.

 

Nah let’s stick to my example for now

 

Agreed….which is why I never claimed kids should be held responsible.

 

Hospital is not responsible for parents giving consent. This is all on the parents. Shame on them.

 

Yet we allow circumcision

 

Due to parents not getting a 2nd and 3rd opinion?
They're her first line of defense and failed her beyond comprehension.
13??????????

 

A hospital is not a chopping block that should take orders from the parents.

 

Yes Mello, removing excess skin is the same as a double mastectomy.

Exactly

 

Lopping off a little extra skin is nowhere near the same as removing breasts. Silly to compare the two.

 

I love when someone asks for a source to prove a claim someone has made and all you people can do is scream, “no you do it”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6546862/

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/heal...tion-confirmation-or-sex-reassignment-surgery

https://tau.amegroups.com/article/view/3748/html

The only major study I have seen that showed no change in suicide rates (no net increase or decrease) was a study done in Sweden from 1973-2003 — I am sure that even you can agree that medical science and surgical treatments have increased in the last 40 years

 

See before the overturning of Roe v Wade conservatives used to be all about individual liberties, now all of sudden that's a foreign concept to them.
The ol fear mongering tactic of "Oh won't someone please think of the children" so that the state can legistlate its morals isn't gonna fly anymore. Beating a child infringes on the child's rights, sexual misconduct infringes on their rights, cosmetic surgery is their right, therapeutic operations is their right. Stop pretending like the minor does not need multiple levels of concent in order to be stupid. Its their right to be stupid, and I want it to be next to impossible for the state to regulate individual liberties to prevent what anyone feels is "stupid".

So once again how does this family infringe on your right as an individual when they get elective surgery, therapeutic surgery, or what ever other self mutilation they feel they want to get?

The question of when does the science state the most effective time to get the procedure done if it's going to be done is asked to nullify all the emotion, and rely on facts. Which is that it is the families decision, it does not infringe on the child's rights when they demand it, and the guardians are more then capable of deciding what's best for their child. Far more so then that state. The state raising children used to be taboo for conservatives, but now dear leader says its an issue of morals and all of a sudden, liberty be darned huh.

Not on my watch. This isn't about trans issues, this is about individual liberty. So apply what ever logic you would use to regulate a families decision to everything, cause once a law is written the rule of unintended consequences will come into play when a Republican isn't in charge.

If DeSantis says they can take your child away because gender dystopia is a mental disease...it won't be regulated to just that, next will be depression, ptsd, anxiety, or any other reason dear leader feels its nessessary to control the family unit.

 

Would you consider a double mastectomy comparable to a circumcision? to you think the distinction is important?

 

I don’t believe a hospital has a legal right to refuse such a surgery based on disagreeing.

 

Not according to some studies showing suicidal ideation decreases after treatment.

But sure, if you need to dismiss it — do so.
I understand

 

So you're pro child abuse