Explain to me why I should not let this color my experience and form my stereotypes?

I don't really give a damn if you believe me or not. It's easier for you to sit here and call me a liar than to try to make excuses for his behavior. Because that would require you to accept that his behavior was unacceptable.

 

Don't put your words in my mouth. I don't think it has anything to do with skin color but culture.

 

Well if he was eating them.....

 

Between the story itself sounding very unusual, you playing the "I have a black friend" card, you claiming this is gonna color your experience and one poster suggesting you have a history of this, I'm tempted you just made this thread for clout.

Rereading it, it sounds like you just made this hoping to have someone tell you you're right and backed up your bullshit views.

 

Based on the premise of this thread alone, why would anyone wanna share experiences with you?

 

I don't really care if you want to sit here and call me a liar or not. You must not have much experience with black people in general if you've never had a negative experience.

The point is they tend to create more negative experiences than their share of the population.

 

I think you are perfectly correct - we should make generalizations about 99.99999% of humans by the actions of just .000001% of humans.
It only makes sense.



And people wonder why they might be labeled racist?

 

The only problem is your math is very incorrect. Fully about 75% of them tend to be very arrogant and rude in a lot of public interactions. About 90% of the time when a customer comes in our store and shows their ass guess who it happens to be?

They will come in there and pitch a fit and make a big ass scene cursing out the store help over issues with the mechanics that the store help has not one damn thing to do with.

Yeah that'll really get your bump to the top of the line.

Is it too much to ask a little basic courtesy out of people? I don't care if I'm behind the register or if I am a customer I always say may I please have this or thank you instead of



...lemme get. I must hear lemme get 30 times a shift

 

Jerks come in all colors, you may have let your preconceptions color your interpretation of why this one acted like a jerk, though. Everybody has vulnerabilities that can turn into being an ass - feeling slighted due to race is just one of many possibilities, but it definitely doesn't affect all of them the same.

 

And if you read my post you'll see that I made it clear that it does not mean that it means all people. But that there are more people that act that way in a certain race compared to others and it does not make me a racist to simply point out the obvious.

 

Actually when you assign negative connotations to entire race on the actions of a few - that is EXACTLY the definition of racist.

 

Except for the simple fact that I didn't assign them to the entire race I simply pointed out the fact that they overrepresentate those actions versus other races

This does not mean that it applies to the entire race of course.

And the word you are actually looking for there is stereotype not racist.

 

And I forgot to mention something in my post but I forgot to tell you that I appreciate you actually assuming that my post is true at face value instead of simply calling me a liar like so many on the left have done.


I have zero reason to fabricate such a post. But I guess it's easier for people to just call me a liar then actually tell me why the guy would have been such an a******.

Do you think I did something wrong? I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt and I was nice to him and I was courteous to him and he was unable to return the same to me.

 

I was raised to always say please and thank you and be courteous to others no matter what color you are.

Is there something wrong with expecting basic courtesy from everyone?

I am courteous to everyone I meet no matter what color they are. But when my courtesy is returned with rudeness I tend to be hostile no matter what color the person is.

 

Well I don’t know about wrong, but it sounds like the conflict escalated when you attempted to correct his etiquette. A more secure person than him would just admit the mistake or shrug it off, but for an insecure person it’s unsolicited criticism that can get them defensive. I would say it’s more on him, but probably a gentler approach or just accepting they don’t follow good etiquette or forgot would reduce odds of conflict. Not everybody uses please and thank you frequently, and you can choose not to associate with such people if you prefer.

 

You are correct. But it just kind of rubbed me wrong at the wrong moment I guess. I was hopping around on a bum ankle like I still am from a motorbike incident in the Orange Grove down the road about 4 hours before that or we probably would have been fighting.

He was eventually asked to leave the bar as was another guy who was to my right who was a white man.

By this point I moved away from both of them and went down the bar. The black fellow went over to a booth and the white guy went over there and instigated some more s***.

I have come to the conclusion that I don't need to go to bars anymore because I did not for decades ( or at least the last 13 years or so )and I just recently started going back for one night of my weekend off.

Nothing has changed about bars because you can still find plenty of trouble.

It would have been one thing for him to be rude but he had actually asked me to buy him a drink and I did. When a person buys you a drink you say thank you and then when I gave him a cigarette and he sat there and said give me a light that was the last straw for me.

It just really is a pet peeve of mine when people are rude as hell especially when you have been kind to them.

 

and for those of you who would rather sit here and slander me as a racist and a liar instead of take my post at face value....

It's the sort of people just like you who are not willing to address reality instead of attack the person who says hey this is what happened..
Who keep empowering things just like this to keep happening.

I'm not a racist for pointing out things like statistics and my common experiences throughout my life..

I do not mistreat or look down on others just because of their skin color, if that was the case I would have told this guy to go to hell when he asked me to buy him a drink instead of actually giving him the benefit of a doubt and buying him one. Unlike those of you sitting here calling me a racist and a liar who do that simply because I am white and I dare have the audacity and gall to point out the fact that so many black people tend to be rude and impolite. Now again here I feel like I should point out that it's not all of them but it's enough of them that it makes a difference.

Like I said I'm willing to give every Man a chance to be all that they can be.

But now because I tell you that more of those of One race take that chance and disprove themselves in my eyes you would rather call me a racist then address the reality that so many men will take that chance and prove themselves unworthy of it.

Like I have repeatedly said but you have repeatedly ignored.... It's not every person who represents a single race but it's not my fault if I'm going to point out that more of one race misrepresent themselves then of another.

You would rather call me a racist and a liar then address the reality that that is a fact.

But fortunately for you people the internet makes it easy to voice your opinions without actually looking into my eyes and passing your judgment on me.

 

Sounds like you handled the situation superbly

 

Any of you who have wanted to sit here and slander me as a liar and a racist I ask you to tell me one thing that I have said that is racist.

And before you answer remember racist has a specific definition

 

I guess most of you liberals would call me a liar here again if I tell you that in my 2 years of working the night shift at the gas station that I've been called racial slurs on several different occasions just because people didn't get their way.

I guess it would be too hard for you to guess who those people are they call me racial slurs simply for doing my job.

But now if I turn around then call them racial slurs in return then I'm the wrong guy, I'm the bad guy.

 

Only you were there-- none of us can guess the vibe. I agree w/ Pro_Line, that having a strange guy ask me to buy him a drink, seems a very odd starting point. My first guess is that he might have been gay or bisexual, and trying to hit on you. My second guess, would be that he had no intention of getting with you, but may have thought that you were gay, and so could play your desires, for a couple of drinks.

Of course, if he had been trying to intimidate you, that would completely change the complexion of the situation, but you do not mention anything about this. Was he acting belligerently, or in a more friendly manner? It is hard to get much, from your description, as your own comments and actions, also seem to bounce into less than amiable territory. That is why I got the hint of some power dynamic at play, that may or may not have been a sexual one. I guess some guys think of that sort of stuff, as the way that guys are supposed to interact.

Regardless, it is absolutely ridiculous, to think of this clearly individual circumstance, as suggestive of the behavior of a group, especially one so large, as all black people (or black men). I have met, and known, very nice, friendly black guys, as well as those who were a bit more aloof, and even some who fronted, with a menacing energy. I have got along fine, on balance, with most of them, regardless. There were a couple of bad experiences, but I've had far more with white guys, who were a-holes. We are all different. A person's skin color does not tell you much, about who that person is.

 

That is the part, which it is utterly unreasonable for you to expect others to be able to conclude, from this single story. While we all have our own experiences, which are of course going to more strongly color our opinions, than your own stories will, we could certainly come to a point of understanding why you have your view, perhaps even agree that, given the same experiences, we might feel the same way-- but anything like those understandings or acknowledgements, would require at least 15 or 20 stories-- more, if they are basically as innocuous as this one; fewer if they included worse events, like your being cleaned out, by a black acquaintance who'd robbed you blind, or your being badly beaten up, maybe even hospitalized, by other black "friends."

I, btw, once had a new black acquaintance swipe $50 bucks out of my wallet-- which I connect not to his color, but to his Christian hypocrisy. He wore his Christianity on his sleeve, and I am sure that what justified his taking advantage of the chance to raid my unattended wallet, was his seeing a book in my place, on Witchcraft. This is not the only Christian hypocrite, I've encountered, who has tried to rip me off. Yet I'm sure you would tell me, that I should not judge all Christians, from a relative few bad ones-- do you see the double-standard, there?

 

No one has said, that certain people can't be jerks. In fact, I noticed several people saying just that. Except the "certain people," we have all maintained, are just those particular dicks, whereas it seems like, by "certain people," you mean, mostly, black ones.


Speaking of stereotyping and prejudice/discrimination, you seem to be making this post, a lot about criticizing "liberals," who have nothing to do with the awkward interaction, of your story:

This is another false assumption, on your part: no one is going to defend those, calling you racial slurs, just because they are black. But nor do we give you a free pass, because you have heard so many slurs, directed your way. I would be willing to bet thousands, that of all those who have called you those slurs, the average/median number of slurs, they have had been called themselves, easily dwarfs the number of times that you've heard it. Again, I don't accept that as a justification, for their repeating the behavior with you, for no other reason (I will allow), other than your skin color. But if you are using the times that you have been referred to by a racial slur, as your own justification, then it would be complete hypocrisy, on your part, not to excuse those who'd done it to you, because of all the times they'd been called slurs by whites, prior to unloading on you.

 

Except for the little fact that I don't go around calling people racial slurs and I mentioned liberal several times because that was the ones who felt the need to call me a liar in this thread repeatedly

 

Not making excuses for it.
Just don't think his skin color is the reason.