Face masks made ‘little to no difference’ in preventing spread of COVID, scientific review finds

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  1. Thingamabob

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    Not even a table. It was toe to toe.
    It makes no difference. COVID was either:

    1). Exaggerated
    ..... or .....
    2). A hoax.

    Most positive convictions about Anders Tegnell's herd immunity indicate that he was right. We never had mandatory face masks in Sweden and a rough guess of only about 5% of the population used them.
     
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    If they had covid, you may have contracted it.
    Hoax? That's absurd. A million people died of it in the United States. We had a very poor record.

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    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
    Look at Canada on the list. Same continent as the U.S. British Columbia where I live a good portion of the year is lower than the Canadian average.

    It has never been a serious problem for people under 30. Anywhere.

    Since surgical masks were never very effective, so Sweden's relative success (2,401 deaths/million) is still significantly less than Canada (1,384 deaths per million). The death rate difference is, I suspect, partly in how well older people were protected. Canada had a better vaccination rate than Sweden, too.

    If you look at the chart above, you can see that Canada had the misfortune of being next to the United States where people almost went out of their way to catch covid.
     
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    What about "exaggerated"? I read a report once about there being an annual percentage of deaths attributed to some other ailment that suddenly no longer existed once the COVID scare came onto the scene. Conclusions?

    1). The symptoms were identical thus rendering the "other ailment" void. But that wouldn't explain the fact that the earlier deaths had occurred long before (years? decades?) COVID hit the charts.
    2). False statistics - intentionally or otherwise.

    Maybe due to our liberal use of lingonberries and meatballs? :afro:
     
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    In Canadian hospitals, they tested everyone for covid with a PCR test. They knew who had what.
    Ohhhh-Kayyyyyy.
     
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    I don't think it's the food, it's probably the leap from the sauna into a frozen lake. :)

    ETA, I imagine there might have been a few people out there that decided contracting covid and natural inoculation might be preferable to some experimental Mickey Mouse MRNA Medicine that you need to shoot up every six months.
     
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    It might be preferable for 35-year-olds but not 70-year-olds who are at greater risk. And calling the vaccine "Mickey Mouse" is beyond stupid.
     
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    It was irrational to ever believe that cloth mask was doing anything. It’s astounding so many were made to believe otherwise.
     
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    even if it only made the elderly feel safer, who cares

    but as they were not proper masks, and not everyone even wore them right, they probably did have little effect other than making some feel safer, which is in itself not a bad thing

    the best they probably did was stop the spread during a sneeze of an infected person
     
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    I have worn a seat belt almost all my life, never helped me - most people can say that, especially around town at low speeds it probably has no effect, but we still wear them (School Buses do not even require them) - yes, government overreaches sometimes - that said, at the time we did not know, so it was best to wear them and let the science catch up as it was the middle of a pandemic, there was no reason to get violent with the Walmart greater for asking one to wear a mask
     
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    Are you saying you need to be in a serious car accident or kill someone in one, to say you understand a seat belt's relevance to safety? Really? That is kind of stupid don't you think? What next I need to shoot you to show you a pointed gun is dangerous?

    Come on man, enough. Yes you need to wear a diaper to prevent those stains.
     
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    did I say that, nope, I said were required to wear one even when it wont help

    are you saying you're ok with children not wearing seat belts, they don't in school buses

    I guess you think a seat belt will save my life when I drive a few blocks to the gas station at 25 mph if that, or a few block to a friend's house - my point is the government decides, not us

    if I had never worn a seat belt in my life.... I would have been just fine... that is a fact, now are there situations where it could help, absolutely

    "What next I need to shoot you to show you a pointed gun is dangerous?"

    I guess I should have worn a bulletproof vest all my life too (yes there may be situations where wearing a vest would be wise too)

    you may not be able to make wise choices and need the government to decide for you, not all of us do
     
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    Feeling safer itself is a bad thing when you aren’t actually safer. And in light of how rabid so many fools were wearing them hopefully this serves as a lesson for people to think critically and not blindly accept what alleged science says .
     
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    Terrible example, not even close to a one to one. At the time we DID know, an ounce of critical thinking demonstrated they were ineffective. And there was no reason to get violent with someone who knew better than to wear them, yet that was a regular occurrence.
     
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    you're not less safe, so it harmed no one
     
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    It gave a false sense of security, which is absolutely harmful.
     
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    not in this case, the danger was the same, a little less with the mask
     
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    Astounding? Humans are conditioned from very early ages to believe in all sorts of fiction and fantasies. We are conditioned to believe in Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny and democracy. That doesn't even count the fiction and dogma associated with organized religion.

    Humans are conditioned to believe countless falsehoods. Humans are extremely gullible.
     
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    Yes but in those cases the conditioning happens either at an early age throughout a life or something similar. In this case, despite knowing an abundance of information disproving this nonsense it was still believed.
     
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    False, absolutely in this case. Masking was ineffective and have a false sense of security.
     
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    it reduced panic and did offer some protection from those infected sneezing and spreading it
     
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    It offered no protection as covering your face when sneezing and coughing is already commonplace. There was no measureable reduction in panic, and instead inherently gave a false sense of security…making people feel protected when they weren’t.
     
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    Cochrane Library has clarified that their study did NOT show what FOX and social media claim.

    “Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that ‘masks don’t work’, which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation” - Dr. Karla Soares-Weiser, the editor-in-chief of the Cochrane Library

    Yes, they admitted they failed to address the question,.
     
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    Not to mention how many people (I've observed first hand) improperly wearing and using the mask. Facial hair is a no-no because it breaks a proper seal. I've seen people crisscrossing the straps, which also breaks the seal. This on top of observing people touching and adjusting the masks, which unless they immediately wash their hands have self contaminated if they touch other areas of their face.
     
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    It was not believed by all. My guess is that it was believed by about 2 out of 3, about the same numbers as those who took the shots voluntarily, not counting the ones who were forced to take it. Informed consent was avoided as the herd was in stampede.
     

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