Fascism and banning free thought in Florida

Right. Those people are typically on the school boards or in the Ed depts. on a state and federal level.

 

Well, unless we both happen to live in the same state, they’re not your dollars.

And that’s one of the cool things about the education system. Each state runs it own. So it is going to take much less effort to eliminating public schools in a single state (hopefully my state) than if it were a federal thing.

I’m not sure I understand your question.

 

And when public schools are eliminated, they will still have their expertise available to parents.

 

It's a straightforward question. You want to refund what the family is paying in taxes for educating their child, and their child only, right? Take the case of a family that make $70 K a year and tell us how much that is. Don't need a precise number. A reasonable approximation would be fine. You haven't done that math?

 

My school district spends $15,993 per student per year.

 

No! You're not refunding your school district. You're refunding ONE family what THEY paid. If I contributed to those $15.993 that you mention, why should they get MY tax dollars?

So how much is THEIR refund?

 

Hm. Not sure what you mean. Since $15,993 of their real estate taxes go to educate one student, if they remove their student they ought to be refunded the money that is no longer needed for their child.

But your question makes me question whether you understand that money is fungible. They don’t have to get the same exact dollars that they paid.

 

You are trying to evade. Maybe we do live in the same state. Assume we are. All I need is the numbers.

Let me help you out.

Let's assume, just for the heck of it, that this family making $70,000 a year pays 20% of their income in all taxes (income, state, sales tax, property...): $14.000 Let's make assumption (just for simplicity and for the sake of the mental experiment) that 10% of the money they pay in ALL taxes goes to education. Which obviously it's too much. But let's be generaous. $1400

You obviously DO NOT get almost $16 K... like you appear to imply, when you payed $14 K in ALL taxes (including even federal taxes) and $1.4K into the education system. That right there makes your proposal absurd. But let's move on. They should only receive what THEY payed for education of their child. So, just for the heck of, let's say the school population in your district is 100,000 in K-12. So that means for EACH student they are paying $1.400/100.000 That would be $0.014 cents per child.

So even though we are using the most generous number imaginable, that family gets ... a penny! 3 cents, if they have two kids!

I don't think you have thought this through ... AT ALL.

 

If the textbooks denigrate the White race, they ought to be rejected.

 

You’re actually right. That cost per student is paid by more people than have kids currently in school.

That’s a good point, and thanks.

So what should happen is that a person who doesn’t use the public school should simply not have to pay their school district property tax bill.

But actually what should really happen is that some brave state should simply terminate their public schools.

 

Ah... so suddenly white supremacists discovered that math IS racist.

 

That has been tried. Sudan! You might like it there.... Get a glimpse of what people who have no public schools look like. Personally, I don't think you'll be seeing them developing a new revolutionary microchip technology, or anything like that any time soon. But... if that's your ideal world... What can I say!

 

Government schools are a travesty and a disaster. We can do so much better. The sooner they are eliminated, the better.

 

And we can do much worse. Your proposal is the perfect example of how really really bad we can do.

Anyway... it's not going to happen. So the topic is like sort of "intellectual masturbation" or something like that.

 

“We can do much worse” is a horrible justification. But I’m sure you and I will never agree on this. And I’m glad this is a state rather than a federal issue. Maybe something will happen.

 

I can assure you that whatever happens it will NOT be what you propose. Unless we decide to become Sudan. I opened a thread explaining why the right can NEVER win any sort of culture wars.

 

Of course math is racist. Whites and Asian can do math. Blacks cannot. CA's solution is to cancel advanced math courses to achieve equity.

 

By “we” you mean the state you live in? Which is most likely not the state I live in.

 

More likely than us abolishing education and becoming Sudan, like you propose; is that we abolish the states and just become one nation. Like we were always intended to be. Probably not in our lifetimes, but definitely more likely.

 

Maybe. How many states do you think would ratify?

 

There wouldn't be any states. Anyway... .my point is likelihood. Not actually intended to get into another episode of intellectual self-gratification. But I do think that, unlike abolishing education, it is possible. Just a matter of constituting our Third Republic.

 

Changing the constitution would require that an amendment be ratified by the states

 

Ah, you’re referring to our current republic as the Second Republic, which was created when the sovereign states seceded from the Articles (the First Republic)? So you’re envisioning some states seceding from the current compact and establishing a new government which your calling the Third Republic? Or am I missing something?

 

I'm not talking about changing it. I'm talking about a Third Republic. When we went from the First to the Second Republic (which is the one we have now) we didn't have any "amendments". We just did it!

Anyway... not my intention to drag us into even MORE hypothetical musings that will likely not happen in the next 100 years. I just wanted to highlight the word "likelihood".

 

Well actually the states did it. They formulated a new treaty and then they ratified it, seceding from the previous treaty.

I wonder about the likelihood of any of the states deciding to abandon the current treaty and establish some sort of new confederation. And what would happen to the states that decided to stay with the current Second Republic (your term)