Fascism and banning free thought in Florida

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Suggestion noted, and unceremoniously delivered into the garbage can.

    "This is the kind of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put."
    -Winston Churchill (after being told a sentence should never end with a preposition):
     
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    So how is your group going to destroy the United States and institute the Third Republic you talked about?
     
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    Everyone except for those that are above the law.
     
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    Who is above the law?
     
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    Senior government officials, family of senior government officials, some very wealthy people. I think you can figure it out.
     
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  8. Lee Atwater

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    In this fantasy world you envision where parents use their own money to fund the schools they send their kids to, what happens to the kids of parents living in poverty? What teacher or administrator is going to work in an inner city school where the parents can't afford to compete with affluent areas where they can pay their teachers well?
     
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    There currently exist many forms of public assistance programs. One could certainly be devised to help such people.

    Additionally, concerned citizens, such as yourself perhaps, could establish and contribute to foundations for the same purpose.
     
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    Are you talking about legislators? They are the people who make the laws.
     
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    I believe I was clear about who I was talking about. If not, then feel free to fill in the blanks for yourself.
     
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    Nope. You just said "everyone." Obviously not "everyone" makes laws.
     
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    You will have to respond to this since I said nothing about making laws.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Read it again.
     
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    Fair enough. People change.
     
  17. Lee Atwater

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    I see. So you are okay with a system where the children of parents with financial means get the best education money can buy while the children of the less fortunate are subject to the vagaries of other people's generosity. Now I'm beginning to understand what the kind of two-tiered education system you think should exist would look like.
     
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    Did you miss the "public assistance" part of my response?

    "There currently exist many forms of public assistance programs. One could certainly be devised to help such people."
     
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    Public assistance means tax dollars. The vey thing you said you think people should be allowed to withhold if they want to spend the money for other things. So...should my wife and I, because we no longer have kids in school, be allowed to withhold our school appropriated tax dollars so we can improve our wine collection? If I and millions of others are against a military action by the US government can we not pay the part of our tax dollars dedicated to the DoD?
     
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    I don't recall saying anything about people being able to decide what taxes they choose to pay.

    You said you opposed eliminating public schooling because poor people would be unable to arrange for the education of their children. So I offered a suggestiong that poor people might then receive public assistance to aid them in doing so.

    I thought I was being clear.
     
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    You suggested that people who want to educate their own kids be able to withhold tax dollars that go towards public education. Should I be able to do something similar regarding money that goes to the nation's defense if I want to join a bunch of militia nitwits who are happy to be responsible for our own defense? Where does your a la carte version of taxpayer control over how tax dollars are spent end?
     
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    I mentioned a property tax rebate. I did not suggest people can just withhold taxes because they don’t like something. If you think I did, please provide the quote.
    I don't have an a la carte version of taxpayer control.

    But a property tax rebate is really a half measure. The correct solution is for states to entirely eliminate their government run schools. Civil society can do a better job, as with most things.
     
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    You initially replied to this post of mine:
    So "laws" have to be first 'made', right?
     
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    Yes.
     
  25. chris155au

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    Ok, so you are now engaging with me on the subject of making laws, right?
     
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