Feeding My Kids Isn’t Selfish, I’m Not Closing The Salon

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    They're being counted. As to how residents are being infected ... looks like 100% of it has come in via staff. Visitors were excluded many many weeks ago. Unfortunately one of those staff members thought she was entitled to continue working for 6 days while experiencing mild symptoms. DESPITE her heavy responsibility to be extra cautious given the nature of her work. She alone is responsible for 50+ cases and many deaths. That facility plus one other are the two primary nursing home clusters. There hasn't really been much in other facilities. The vast majority are virus free.
     
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    Yes, warnings, restraining orders and potential fines. Just no jail time. He didn't rescind the orders on which businesses are allowed to open. He issued an additional order, retroactive to April 2, saying city/county judges cannot impose jail time. You'd think judges who are releasing burglars, car thieves and drug pushers would have the sense not to replace the inmates with women trying to feed their kids by working. But no. The governor had to tell them that the judge's "judgment" was lacking.
     
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    Lockdowns can flatten the curve but they cause significant economic damage and they delay the achievement of herd immunity which results in more overall fatalities. I’ve presented the paper with the evidence.
     
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    LoneStarGal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A day without an insult, or four, five, six, from Lesh would be like a day without sunshine! Hope you're having a nice day. :sun:
     
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    They don't get it. No matter how many times it's made clear, it doesn't register.
     
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    HERD IMMUNITY IS NOT THE GOAL. Need it be said 40 thousand times?
     
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    Yep. That sounds like the story around the world. Infected staff bringing the virus into the nursing home. At least where they actually have nursing homes. Maybe that's why numbers in poor countries like Africa are so low. Their life expectancy is 55, so I doubt most African nations have a lot of group end-of-life facilities for the elders like 1st world and some 2nd world countries.
     
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    It's not about the WEARER!!!!! it's about the wearer not spreading their potential contagion to others via droplets.
     
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    Flattening the curve to avoid overloading the healthcare system is the short term goal. Opening up the Economy and achieving herd immunity is the ultimate goal. Lockdowns delay the achievement of herd immunity and cause significant economic damage.
     
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    It's not false. I never said the moratorium was a gift, you've chosen to read that into it.

    And those out of work received a stimulus payment, plus an ongoing $500pw.
     
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    Including physicians and grocers
     
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    And that still will not dig them out of the hole they are being dug into.
     
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    For some reason they think slowing the spread prevents deaths.
     
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    When they have no job, or are still working for half the wages 18 months from now
     
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    The great fail on this front (in both our nations) is staff not being obliged to go through stringent protocols before being allowed to work. That was incredible irresponsibility on the part of each of these facilities, and on our Govts for not insisting upon it.
     
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    Yup. It’s the concept of area under the curve that eludes them.
     
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    But but but, ....the peak is lower.
    How could this be?
     
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    What can they do? Our first restriction in Texas was to stop anyone but employees/staff inside the homes. Then the mask mandates and taking employees' temperatures when they arrived at work and spot-checks through the day. Asymptomatic infection may not even include a fever. So, an employee can pass all the protocols and still carry the infection into the nursing home.

    I did read about one home in Ohio, where the entire staff volunteered to live at the residence 24/7 with the residents. No one goes out or comes in. They haven't had a case. That's the only way to have anything similar to a "true" lockdown.

    No country ever totally "locked down".
     
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    Democrats wont allow that, it be wayciss.
     
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    There you go. A relatively easy, and very very secure solution.

    On that, back in the day our hospitals had adjoining accommodation blocks referred to as 'nurses homes'. Nursing was a true apprenticeship back then, and girls (it was always girls) basically had to live on site. A shame we sold those buildings off to developers, as healthcare workers could have been accommodated to keep their own families safe, and likewise to keep their patients safe. Meals provided, wifi, gym gear, carte blanche netflix etc. Would have been much more efficient, and not completely horrible for a month or two.
     
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    You can't force people to stay at their job 24/7. If every nursing home found "volunteers", that would be great. It's impractical to think that is relatively easy on a broad scale. But the folks in that one Ohio home are very fortunate indeed.

    The virus won't be here for a month or two either. I bet those "volunteers" will soon decide they need to get back to their own families.
     
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    Racist to keep out the English and Dutch :p

    They don't want borders closed (to spare the delicate feelings of foreigners), but want strict lock down. Do they know what day it is?
     
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    Of for sure, would have to be voluntary. Or if things were bad enough, 'your job depends upon it'.
     
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    Then what is the goal pray tell?
     
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    Yes. Assume no vaccine or treatment for 2 years.

    I'm hearing a lot of criticism about "reopening", but no alternative solutions or plans. At what point and at what cost is reopening the economy "acceptable"? There's only the sound of crickets, or totally impossible answers like "When deaths drop to zero."

    No vaccine. No treatment. Herd immunity is all that's realistically possible. And so, the solution is to slowly reopen more activities every two weeks, which is what we're doing. In two weeks, we know the effects of the last action and can "hold" if it looks like a location may swamp the hospital capacity, or "move forward" accordingly.
     
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