Fetal Pain

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  1. Anansi the Spider

    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    Legal abortion means more abortions and mistreatment of the mothers.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324493704578429431398819380

    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/04/10/planned-parenthood-closed-investigated-for-botched-abortions/

    The abortion industry puts profit over women's health.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...ement-succeeds-by-focusing-on-both-mother-and

    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/10/23/...s-for-the-right-to-put-womens-health-at-risk/

    Not a few industries have captured the regulatory agencies that are supposed to protect the people.
     
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    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    Care does not = killing a vulnerable human.

    Never heard of anesthetics?
    Ridiculous exaggeration.

    If she doesn't want to keep the baby there are many people waiting to adopt.
     
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    More blanket dismissal of organizations because they disagree with you? Try to refute specific facts or studies instead.

    Here's another former Planned Parenthood employee: Every center had a goal for every service provided there, including abortion. As a manager, if your clinic did not meet goal, you better have a reason why. Webcam abortions are billed the same as early surgical abortions, so they are huge money- makers for the abortion giant.

    Every affiliate places huge emphasis on abortion.

    Link: http://www.catholicworldreport.com/...d_serious_about_profit_not_womens_health.aspx

    More facts: http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015...nnual-report-all-about-abortions-and-profits/

    Quote: Planned Parenthood has stressed that it provides healthcare and preventative services to indigent women. But Mallory Quigley with SBA List tells OneNewsNow that this latest annual report is telling.

    Quigley, Mallory (SBA List)"Contraception services dropped by 12 percent since 2009, and cancer-screening and prevention services dropped by 29 percent," she points out. "So Planned Parenthood spent much of the last couple of years making the case for why they should receive taxpayer funding and really relying on taxpayers to fill up their coffers -- and they're not providing the healthcare services that they claim."

    According to Quigley, that "absolutely" means more of the federal money going to Planned Parenthood is freed up to perform abortions.

    "Money is completely fungible -- and as we've seen, as their taxpayer funding has increased over the last three years so has the number of abortions that they provide," she explains. "And all the while, the healthcare services and their so-called 'focus on women's health' has declined."

    Link: http://onenewsnow.com/pro-life/2013...od-record-year-for-abortions-taxpayer-funding
     
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    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    your mind is nailed shut against the facts.

    Wow you really seem scared of those helpless unborn babies. They are tiny humans not killing machines!
     
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    From your link OKgrannie: Crisis Pregnancy Centers specialize in helping pregnant women who are experiencing an unplanned pregnancy. They offer free, confidential counseling and can help you with many things. It might even have a maternity center attached where you could live until the baby is born. These Centers are extremely helpful to pregnant women in need and you do not need to be in "crisis" in order to contact one. They can provide you with free adoption counseling, maternity clothes, medical referrals, support groups, crisis intervention, legal advice, and many other services.

    What great organizations!
     
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    Do you deny some doctors perform fake "abortions" on women who aren’t pregnant?

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a...ing-abortions-on-women-who-werent-pregnant-fa

    More on this abortionist: http://www.katenews2day.com/million...-babies-bodies-is-again-under-investigation/#

    The abortion industry exploits women and endangers their lives.
     
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    Why do you say no faculty, or curriculum?

    According to Wikipedia: In December 2001, Pacific Western University (Hawaii) received an official recognition and commendation from the 21st Hawaii State Senate [3] and another recognition and commendation from the 21st Hawaii State House of Representatives.[4] These two State of Hawaii legislative bodies honored the University for their innovative, cost effective and quality distance education programs.

    Anyway your personal attack on Reardon is ridiculous. All he did was publicize the survey.

    This kind of sampling is done all the time. If done well the projections are surprisingly accurate.
     
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    C'mon don't you think a big organization like PP might alter or "lose" a particular form to discredit a whistleblower like Abby Johnson. 100s of millions of dollars are at stake.
     
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    Assumes facts not in evidence!

    One third of one percent complications following outpatient surgery is negligible in real terms.

    Lens and cataract outpatient surgery complications is 3 times higher and outpatient cardiac catheterization is 273 times higher.

    Lack of critical thinking skills and doing their own comparative research is not a strong suit for the anti-rightists.
     
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    Neither source has any credibility, especially not Breitbart since it was aiding and abetting convicted criminal O'Keef.

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    Oh, the irony!

    :roflol:
     
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    Those sources have already been completely and utterly discredited.

    Using them over and over again only damages your own credibility after than they have been debunked.

    Not a smart move!
     
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    All those biased sites do NOTHING to prove women should have their rights taken away.....why do you hate women so much that you don't want them to have the same rights as anyone else??? And DO NOT say you don't hate women....taking away a human's rights is the SAME as hating them, has exactly the same results.



    I see also that you have no opinion or thoughts of your own, can't even form your own argument, can't fight back, but rely on discredited websites to form some sort of "defense" ??? LOL!
     
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    Legal abortion means SAFE abortion. It is not true that decriminalizing abortion increases the numbers. Abortion was occurring in similar numbers before RvW. Once more, I must point out that you are linking biased sites.

    https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/06/1/gr060108.html

    Estimates of the number of illegal abortions in the 1950s and 1960s ranged from 200,000 to 1.2 million per year. One analysis, extrapolating from data from North Carolina, concluded that an estimated 829,000 illegal or self-induced abortions occurred in 1967.
    One stark indication of the prevalence of illegal abortion was the death toll. In 1930, abortion was listed as the official cause of death for almost 2,700 women—nearly one-fifth (18%) of maternal deaths recorded in that year. The death toll had declined to just under 1,700 by 1940, and to just over 300 by 1950 (most likely because of the introduction of antibiotics in the 1940s, which permitted more effective treatment of the infections that frequently developed after illegal abortion). By 1965, the number of deaths due to illegal abortion had fallen to just under 200, but illegal abortion still accounted for 17% of all deaths attributed to pregnancy and childbirth that year. And these are just the number that were officially reported; the actual number was likely much higher.
     
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    Medical care is not complete unless it includes the availability of abortion. Abortion saves women's lives.

    Anesthetics can reduce the pain of giving birth, but not eliminate it. There is considerable pain experienced following birth for weeks, and women do not take anesthetics for it.

    There are many children already available for adoption in the foster care system. If there were no abortion at all, there would not be enough people to adopt the babies after the first year. It is the height of not caring for women to just casually suggest "give it up for adoption." Women have no obligation to endure the pains and agony of pregnancy and birth to just hand over a baby to someone else.
     
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    I believe that's already been done.

    Since not every affiliate even provides abortion, that cannot be true, can it? Biased sources.

    NONE of the federal money going to PP pays for abortions. NONE!!! The Hyde Amendment forbids it and PP is regularly and thoroughly audited to make sure of compliance.
     
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    Those great organizations LIE to women.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_pregnancy_center

    False medical information[edit]
    CPCs have frequently been found to disseminate false medical information.[12][13][38] In some cases such information may be based on decades-old studies that have been discredited by more recent research.[14] In others, CPCs may falsely claim to be describing an existing scientific consensus.[1] CPCs' false information is usually about the supposed health risks of abortion, saying, for example, that abortion is much less safe for pregnant women than childbirth when the opposite is true.[11][14][30]

    One common medical canard is the assertion of a link between abortion and breast cancer..........

    Another assertion is that of a link between abortion and mental health problems. CPC counselors have warned clients of severely negative psychological consequences, including high rates of depression, "post-abortion syndrome", post-traumatic stress disorder, suicide, substance abuse, sexual and relationship dysfunction, propensity to child abuse, and other emotional problems. ............

    CPCs may also claim that surgical abortion is a dangerous procedure, with a high risk of perforation or infection and death. ............

    CPCs have also been found to disseminate misinformation about birth control methods, in particular the idea that contraception and condoms do not work or have harmful effects.[14][27][47][52]

    False information about pregnancy and the female body[47][50][52] or about fetal development[45][47] may also be provided, as may misinformation about the availability of abortion in early pregnancy.[45][47][50][54] and the rate of postpartum depression among women who carry to term, ......
     

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