Fetal Pain

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  1. Zeffy

    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tough noogies. Women are not broodmares for the barren. I would never relinquish a child for adoption, I do not believe in it.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    I knew this would be your response, and no I don't think they would given the constant surveillance PP are under where their every move is scrutinized by pro-life groups and state departments, especially in Texas.

    That depends on whether the research is quantitative or qualitative. The greater the number of people in the survey or research the greater the confidence level in the results add to that-that the research group is not indicative of the women who have abortions, the pool is biased in favour of reaching the desired results, as can be seen by the very first sentence in your comment - out of 252 women who experienced post-abortion trauma: - Furthermore there is no reliable evidence that post abortion trauma even exists or to give it the bumper sticker name that pro-lifers like to use PASS. Every single one of the studies conducted into this alleged trauma fail on numerous levels, including not taking into account any mental issues prior to pregnancy and abortion.

    What is the percentage of women who have issues compared to the total number of women who have abortions, that would be a far better comparison.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Read the rest of the Wiki entry.

    Pacific Western University (Hawaii) was the subject of controversy concerning the unaccredited nature of its programs.

    In May 2004 the U.S. Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs conducted hearings to determine whether the federal government had paid for, or governmental officials possessed, degrees from unaccredited schools.[5] As part of those hearing the US Government Accountability Office presented the results of an eight-month examination and report.[6] As the basis of the report, the GAO searched the Internet for nontraditional, unaccredited post-secondary schools that offered degrees that met their search criteria. After the passage of the Homeland Security Act, Section 4107 of tile 5, U.S. Code was amended. After this act became law in 2002, the federal government could pay for the cost of academic degree training for federal employees only if the college or university providing that training was accredited by a nationally recognized accrediting body. The Senate Committee official transcript[5] references Pacific Western University in Los Angeles and Pacific Western University (Hawaii) as two of the unaccredited schools the GAO found online and mentioned during the hearing. The official senate record reflects that Pacific Western University in Los Angeles was recognized as California State Approved. However, because the State of Hawaii had no state approval process, it was noted that it was difficult for students to tell the difference between the two schools who at the time where under the same ownership.

    In 2004 Investigative reporters from television station KVOA of Tucson, Arizona,[7] reported that Pima Community College in Tucson had reduced the salaries of two faculty members who previously had been paid at the PhD level based on their degrees from PWU (Hawaii). The two pay reductions were a result of changes in U.S. law enacted after 9/11/2001 that prohibited government employees from using degrees earned at non-accredited institutions for the purpose of receiving pay increases or job promotions.

    In 2005, the State of Hawaii Office of Consumer Protection brought a lawsuit against the institution, alleging that it enrolled fewer than 25 state residents, and used several websites (including www.apiu.ws, www.open-universities.com, www.warwicks.com and www.imed-pwu.com) to enroll distance education students from other places.[1] On May 9, 2006, a state court received a default judgement in favor of the state agency, ordering Pacific Western University (Hawaii) to cease operation and assessing a civil penalty of $500,000.[8] The State of Hawaii has taken legal action against more than 66 such unaccredited schools since the year 2000.[9]

    Pacific Western University (Hawaii) and the affiliated Pacific Western University (Louisiana) were not accredited by any accreditation body recognized by the United States Department of Education.[10] As such, its degrees and credits might not be acceptable to employers or other institutions, and use of PWU (Hawaii) and PWU (Louisiana) degree titles may be restricted or illegal in some jurisdictions.[11]
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    TRAP laws specifically designed to undermine a woman's rights and have nothing to do with the fake mantra of "protecting women".
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    When they actually print some facts we will

    Susan Thayer was sacked in 2008 by PP BEFORE she joined the pro-life ranks . .no axe to grind there then :roll: and is attempting to recover money under the False Claims Act, whistleblowers receive a portion of recovered damages. Given that Thayer is claiming Planned Parenthood defrauded the government of $28 million it would seem her conversion is more dollar based than morally based.

    The fact that she also testified that she was "horrified" that PP refused to turn over medical records to the police investigating the death of a new-born found at a recycling plant in Storm Lake, Iowa, when in her position of clinic manager she would have been making that decision, her exact words at the time were “For many women, it’s the most personal test they’ve ever had done .. They come in expecting the information will stay here.” and that was in 2002 .. 6 years later after she had been sacked she is "horrified" :roflol:

    but of course the pro-life zombies find nothing even slightly wrong with her testimony :roll:
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Nope, they are liars but of course you have to over look that.

    http://mic.com/articles/99290/one-w...he-lie-of-crisis-pregnancy-centers#.vg9HAB0Ve
    http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2...nters-exposes-moral-rot-anti-choice-movement/
    http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/assets/download-files/cpc-report-2015.pdf

    So these "good Christian people" are using lies in order to scare women ... What great organizations! ... really!!!!
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    There is no denying that there are doctors who do all sorts of things, why do you feel the need to concentrate on JUST doctors that perform abortions, there are doctors who perform surgery that is not required, give out medication that is not required ... the point you so obviously want to ignore is that in every walk of life there are people who will break the law to line their own pockets, to make a sweeping generalization that "The abortion industry exploits women and endangers their lives." is just plain dishonest. Tell me are you dishonest?

    If this doctor has broken the law, I hope he is convicted and sentenced to the fullest extent.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    I'm sorry but if you think live action news is creditable then you are more brainwashed than I thought.

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    So much false concern for women.
     
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    You got that information from some activist website: http://www.thelizlibrary.org/site-i...#soulhttp://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm

    Why do you feel they are credible?

    Pregnancy may lead to mild skin disorders and increased foot size. Did you know "Giving birth to more children, being younger at the birth of your first child, and breastfeeding your children." All decrease the risk of breast cancer,
    one of the worst killers of women.
     
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    Constant repetition of an accusation won't make it come true.
     
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    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    What were you saying about "illogical, overly emotional, inaccurate, hysterical" remarks.
     
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    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    Trying to protect unborn babies does not = hating women. Trying to protect women from the abortion industry does not = hating women.

    Actual hatred of women: Baby Girl born alive and killed after surviving late-term abortion
     
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    Of course there are many pain relief medications women can take afterwards.

    Evidence?
     
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    You missed the point about money being fungible. Also did you know many state governments fund abortion?
     
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    LIEsitenews is, like all your sources, not credible .

    Taking away women's rights to their own bodies is hating women.


    You can't answer the question: ""why do you hate women so much that you don't want them to have the same rights as anyone else???"""

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    Been debunked for years........
     
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    The media establishment would be far more likely to cover up abortion industry lies.

    And anyway maybe Abby Johnson just got the date mixed up.
     
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    No reason to lie about a legal medical procedure :)
     
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    A glance at the Abortion Forum at PF shows you are obsessed with abortion. Posting desperate fact-free justifications for abortion industry crimes seems to be your life's work. Why not work to protect vulnerable human lives instead?

    unborn-baby.jpg

    Why serve racist elites and an industry that targets minorities, the poor, women, and the handicapped for mass murder? Do you really think women want to kill off their progeny? Do you think the abortion industry cares about women or $$$$$?
     
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    Proof? Why do you feel the CDC is wrong?
     
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    :) THAT'S your only answer ...hilarious!


    I see you have a fear of science.....and have never been pregnant.....now PROVE that pregnancy does NOTHING to a woman's body but increase her foot size and gives her mild skin disorders.

    I'm waiting ......
     
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