Florida Republicans introduce 3 new bills to expand state's 'Don't Say Gay' law

Those who oppose big authoritarian governments.

Of course. You believe the big daddy government is here to help raise your kids in a politically correct environment.

Its all you ever do. This time you complain about the nick-name for a bill, and you don't even live here.

 

Well, first, the Iowa Standard doesn't seem to be any sort of news source, whatsoever. It seems like a trash site, so I'm ignoring it.

The second source, which leads to other sources, only shows cartoons; none of which depict anyone in any sort of sexual position, whatsoever.

So, it appears to me that a book written by a teen about his experience is in question as to whether or not other teens can read the same.

I read the Diary of Anne Frank in Jr. High. That book contained atrocities that can't come close to something like a boy wanting to understand his sexuality.

I dunno; the more we wrap our kids in a bubble, the more fragile they will be when the reality of the world around them cracks through that bubble.

 

With teachers being fired for using the wrong pronoun and students being suspended, yes.

 

Why would a math teacher talk to students about sex?

 

Leave the kids alone.

 

Are you deliberately lying or are you really this ignorant? Everything you posted is wrong and I previously provided copious links to prove it. I can only assuming you are being deliberately deceptive on order to run cover for showing pornography to elementary school students. You are not a good person.

 

I clicked through most of your links. I found cartoons and nonsense. No porn.

 

Im not aware of any of the explicit childrens books being criticized as containing photographic, pornographic material. Usually it illustrations or "cartoons" as you call them.

 

Interesting. So, before you bothered to click on the link and see what it shows of images from the book, you did what? You went to mediabiasfactcheck.com? Give me a break. Honestly, you didn't even look at the images shown there?

Seems you're not quite curious enough about this subject to spend the 20 minutes or so that it would take to browse the Google results and see what the hoopla is all aboot

It's not written by a teen and it's not from a boy's perspective

The author is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_Kobabe
E published it when e was 30, in 2019, having been born in 1989
I've no problem using eir pronouns, given that I know them and I have some patience for it at the moment

I do have a problem with folks that would seek to ostracize or even worse, terminate the employment of folks that simply don't have the bandwidth to incorporate this bs with pronouns business

It didn't take me long, although I did probably spend more than 20 minutes looking into it

Clearly you have not

Short of buying a copy of this book from Amazon, which I am tempted to do, at the moment I'll go with the assumption that the theiowastandard.com is at least honest enough not to have made up the pic clips out of thin air, and represents scenes from the graphic novel as they in fact exist within it

It is clearly inappropriate content to fall within the category of required reading below the 11th grade

Perhaps in 11th or 12th grade it would offer a disturbing glimpse into the inner psyche of this type of person that might be worthwhile for developing an appreciation of what some folks struggle with that most do not

I had a teacher in high school that I would have trusted to teach a lesson based on this book, perhaps, but I'm by no means advocating that given the limited time and attention of high school students this type of lesson could possibly make the list

However, I will say for sure that compared to the two subjects covered in my 11th grade humanities elective, I would have much preferred that the second semester covered gender dysphoria issues than art history, which I found untenably horrid after the first semester covered the religions of man, now published as the religions of the world, which is fine by me

Banning it though, well, yeah, worthless maybe, there's not likely any kids under x years old that can't access as much weird stuff as they have an interest in

And boys, most of them I would guess, are probably checking out some kind of porn by at least 14

And, well, most likely, it's pretty much exactly the same level of interest for girls and at about the same age, if not earlier

More of an interest in fact, for girls, eh?

 

Finally. Thank you. I’ve been wondering where this all was coming from. This is a bad book to be in any classroom. I have been pretty clear that the hyperbolic language coming from both sides would stop.

What I want to ensure is that in this day, kids have access to real information. Circa 1976, I was told that masturbation was a sin, yet the need was more important than pissing off god. So, I was a 13 year old, knowing for sure I was going to hell, but not caring, because the urges were too strong.

This is why I advocate for education, education, education.

This isn’t the right book. I do, however, want discussions based on reality, and not some perceived notion that there is an entity out there, somewhere, watching us in our most private moments, and judging our eternal souls based on doing what biology demands we do during puberty.

I also want gender dysphoric kids to have access to information; not blow job instruction, but stuff to make them feel less alone. This condition exists, has always existed, and will continue to exist. Marginalizing these kids is not the answer. Neither is those with the condition showering with girls while having male equipment.

I wish there were grownups in the process who were willing to acknowledge the problem, while not forcing a “solution,” on those who distrust. Their concerns are valid, too.

I close with repeating that this is not an appropriate book for any grade schooler. Surely there is a book that can help these kids who feel like freaks on the inside.

 

Neither is bending the majority to the needs of the exceedingly few, beyond reason in a reconstruction of the exceedingly minimal grammatical requirements of the English language an answer: the answer will not likely be found in a book.

 

Hi, Pro_Line_FL

Yup! Brought to us by those wonderful folks whose sole aim is to keep government small and off the backs of the people.

I don't know where Florida and Texas are heading, but they'll get there before the rest of us.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

You read my entire post and you think this is a good summary of it? Sigh

 

There is something extremely wrong with compelled speech as, by definition, it removes people's free speech rights.

 

Notice all the other lefties on here both denying to existence of these books in school library, AND simultaneously condemning those who criticize the existence for doing so?

 

Yes, compelling someone to refer to someone as she or punishing someone for calling them he instead are equally wrong.
When one of my male friends is whining or complaining I'll frequently reply 'OK Nancy". Purposely misgendering them as an intended insult. Call me rude, call me sexist(free speech), but no need to involve the law when I insult my friends or little Billy in grade school who dreams of becoming a Disney Princess.

 

Ah, been a good long while since I've caused you to sigh at one of my posts, thanks Curious,

 

I had a neighbor, a boy, that was totally gay and liked to dress up as a girl. Whatever, he was odd and no one wanted him around, but for awhile he managed to hang out with us anyway until his family moved. I didn't see any reason for being mean to the kid though, he was just weird, but he wasn't weird like the other kid that killed my brand new Christmas puppy by pushing it down the concrete steps leading to the basement door at the rear of his house.

However, there was the red headed dick that lived on the same side of the street a couple of doors to the left of Dale's house. This gem used to bully me until finally one day my Mom gave permission to punch him in the nose and I never had a problem from him again. He talked me into convincing Dale to lie down on his back in the street once with the assurance that he was going to practice hopping his bike over him. I knew better, or certainly should have known better, but agreed to help him with this plan only to watch with slightly mixed emotions when Chucky didn't even attempt to make it look like he was trying to jump him. Nope, just drove his bike right over the poor kid's stomach. Well, I can be a dick too and part of me I'm sad to say thought that s was pretty funny. But, I'm pleased to admit that a greater part of me wanted to punch Chucky again. I think that was actually the last time I ever had anything to do with Chucky of any particular consequence. Kid was a vexation to the spirit, as the Desiderata puts it.

Something needs to done about folks like Chucky and when they are employed in the public sector like police and teachers, both of which are roles which carry substantial power and responsibility, then it is up to the government to draw some clear lines that when crossed result in termination. Unfortunately nothing ever works out quite like this.

I see that the Florida law has provisions to make exceptions for actual intersex conditions. I think it's fair for a teacher not to have to refer to little Billy or my childhood neighbor with female pronouns. But, I don't think someone with hardcore views about human sexuality only being acceptable if it fits within their idea of what is acceptable should be employed as a teacher or a police.

If Billy wanted to be called Nancy, Karen or Bridget and referred to as she and a teacher indulged the kid I reckon there's no problem, but that's not quite clear from the brief skim of the law I did. And even if I were to, for my own part find that it made it clear, there are lots of other hurdles along the way to enforcing this type of law one-way-or-another. Now, there is even more an extreme version of this claimed to be going on, is that there are some teachers and I've no reason to doubt it, that encourage and may even suggest to Billy that he ask folks to use girly pronouns, and there are I'm sure, some teachers, that really don't like Billy very much and have a hard time from expressing it.

When even @Lucifer not only posts about the pronoun madness, but actually creates a thread on it, well, I reckon folks can continue with labeling all they want around, helpful though it is not. There are a few members here that deserve labelling though, so unfortunately there's that too. Maybe I'll take another pass at that link you so kindly shared.

 

So what's the problem. Sounds like DeSantis is trying to protect our children from sexual deviancy, insanity, and the bastardizing of the English language. What kind of people would fault him.

 

Sex ed at 12th grade = sexual deviancy, insanity and the bastardizing of the English language.

LOL. Leave it to the authoritarian pseudo-conservatives. Heh-heh.

DeSantis: I am from the government and I am here to shield you child from reality
You: Thank you Lord. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

 

Biology doesn't require advocates for sexual fetishes and deviancies, anymore than Home Economics should promote cannibalism, or that Civics should teach rioting, arson and looting. Leftists need to learn to leash their devils, not unleash them on vulnerable children.

 

Yes. Partisans from both sides defend their team’s deplorable behavior.

 

You would insult a little boy because he wants to be a princess? Ummmm…

 

I don't know where you went to school, but sex-ed has been around since 1940, and I have no clue why you think its fetish or deviant. Your view is just weird, not to mention dishonest. I remember you saying you are from Utah, so maybe you should ask your fellow Utahians to stop marrying children and 10 other women, because THAT is deviant.

Well, we'll have to sit back and watch teen-pregnancies and STD go up, and maybe at some point people will admit that teens need to know something about sexuality. You can home school your kids and pretend there is no sexual aspect to human life. If they wonder where they came from, you can tell them a stock carried them to your door step

 

It seems some forget that they any HS education at all, except for reading, math & history.