Good Grief, a 7 year old transgender with transgender "dad"

Ha! Missed that part....genes are not viruses!! I'm not implying you can "catch it".

 

Therapy has been tried and it fails. Surgery has worked and made most transgendered folk happy.

 

I would love to see a source for either claim.

They commit suicide at the same or greater rate after surgery. I already demonstrated that.

You want to believe things that are not true. You are motivated to believe things that are not true.

I expect better of you.

http://www.genderspectrum.org/images/stories/GID_in_Children_and_Adolescents.pdf


Ill get back to you Indymom.

 

Some psychologists believe donkeys fly. Psychologists are in NO way qualified to deduce or even theorize whether or not a mental problem is genetic. They are in NO way medically trained. NONE of their education includes anything remotely related to the study of the human genome... so their "beliefs" on the "genetic causes" of mental issues are about as useful as a poop flavored lollipop.

 

It should be no different than when a specialist says a face lift would help you love yourself.. gee that's fine if you can afford it.. but you will find a specialist who is willing to prescribe transplanting your arse to your forehead if insurance is willing to pay for it.. won't ya?

 

It doesn't matter in the least whose fault it is that mother has mental issues. Again.. this isn't about punishing the mother. This is about the best interests of the child.

It is NEVER in the best interest of ANY 18 month old child to leave it in the care and custody of an adult who thinks the child believes it is a boy trapped in a girls body or vice versa.

 

Beautiful work as always man.

Its vitally important the truth get out.

 

good paper. It definitely solidifies what the rational posters have been writing. This poor child is obviously a victim of a very bad environment.

 

In Afghanistan you don't have to worry about killing yourself, your family will take care of that for you.

They will kill you in Iraq to. Humiliation of TG Before Murder By Iraq Police
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeMSiw8FhmE"]They will kill you in Iraq to [/ame]. In Pakistan they will at least let you live, though your career prospects are pretty much limited to either being a prostitute or a tax collector. Iran is somewhat friendly to transsexuals and carries out more sex change operations than any other country except Thailand, which is ironic considering they will hang gay men Iran. Your still vulnerable to being killed by your family. An unfortunate consequence of the laws in Iran is that a lot gay men who are not transexual will have sex changes to escape death.

 

It says 5 of the 16 may have been accidental medications of drug overdoses and in the remaining 11 cases suicide was usually not thought to be related to gender problems per se

Considering all the crap we can experience for being who we are – harassment, violence, discrimination, being rejected by family, friends, having family try to beat and shame it out of us, losing our jobs, getting kicked out of churches, being called he/she’s , it, freaks, perverts , being told by society that what you are is wrong, a sickness, a disease, your going to hell (I have one friend who’s family actually tried exorcism to get that woman demon out!) is it any wonder that we have a high suicide rate? Just using a public restroom can make the news - you don’t necessarily get to be treated well again just because you have surgery. That’s the s*** that ends up killing us, not regret from having the surgery.

The success depends so much on how supportive family and friends are, and on how we are accepted in the community. If you are treated like a disease by everyone you love and have in your life, it is not exactly good for yourself imagine.

Those are things that are not measurable in this study.

Also the age that a person transitions matters a lot – the older you are the harder it gets to make the transition and blend in with the gender you identify as. No, there is not a study to prove this, at least not yet, it is just my opinion.

Some other things that should be noted in the paper you are quoting :

 

Don’t Let Your Kids Watch Dr. Keith Ablow

The comment section is good

 

This study is 40 years old and in the initial study it involved them converting ONE transsexual and in the follow-up study 6 years later they got 2 to convert, sorta.

Even person you are pulling numbers from = - Kenneth Zucker - will give up therapy and advocate hormone therapy if he fails to bend the child's mind before adolescence - which he fails to do about 20% of the time.

Some other information from the paper

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You need to understand the context of this first paper... seriously. It was lifted from a site which provides SRS services... the tone is that of trying to convince you to spend your money there... and this is THEIR interpretation of a book, not available online, which contained the study data.

5 of the cases MAY have been accidental drug overdoses... because they were such happy, well adjusted people. Usually not thought per se... well... that must be very reassuring.

Source

Uh huh... because only you have family that is not supportive of you... or live in a neighborhood which harbors resent for you simply for being you. And how the hell are they friends if they treat you poorly?

This does not explain, in the slightest, why suicide rates are over 20% with or without SRS. If you are unwilling to accept the reality that we do what we do because of who we are, not because of what others do, then there is little point continuing. A lot of people have problems which greatly outweigh gender confusion, and your suicide rate is 72 times higher. That is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing significant.

Age does matter. Very important. Profoundly important, as only between 2% and 11% have GID persist past puberty.

 

Zucker is one of 6 people in that paper...

and it is 11.1% of the time, not 20... and it is not "mind bending". It is (*)(*)(*)(*)ing psychotherapy.

If they no longer suffered from gender dysphoria, why were they getting surgery?

 

What 20% suicide rate are you talking about? By the numbers they provide is only .55% , or are you talking about 20% + attempted suicide rate pre treatment?

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He IS the so called leading expert in treating youth with GID.

? They were living as women, you want to be as complete as you can. Sexually it is important and there are a lot of legal reasons to in how it affects legal identity.

 

I think you missed this:

Yeah... I guess you missed that.

Even if your fantasy was correct that ONLY 80% (even though it is 90% with or without therapy), grew out of it... you cannot presume that a child is part of the extreme minority.

That... is pretty hard to ignore as coincidence.

Now... you have a mother, who thinks she is the father... who JUST SO HAPPENS to have a child who believes she is the same way at 1 years old, though throughout ALL studies NOTHING indicates that it is a genetic condition, no matter how bad they want to fill that gap with genes.

 

Well the source itself backs up the thought that it is a mental disorder.
The article itslef has no useful information, but the comments were good (some of them).

 

This whole argument is ridiculous. (yes that's what it is... an argument.. not a debate.)

You have one side providing solid evidence that this child was suffering... and is continuing to suffer mental and emotional abuse at the whims of a mentally and emotionally disturbed mother.. and the other side basically responding with anything they can grasp to keep from admitting that yes.. chances are it is a psychological issue and not a genetic one.

One even going so far as to use PSYCHOLOGISTS opinions on genetics as evidence. No psychologist worth their salt would give a professional opinion on such a thing because they know NOTHING about it. All they know is "I can's help this person." That does not mean it is not a psychological issue. But when you think you are the be-all end-all of psychology.. you will assume that anything YOU can't fix must not be a psychological issue.

This is an exercise in futility. It's like debating the bible with an illiterate evangelical. It doesn't matter what evidence you provide.. they WANT to believe something to the contrary so they are going to believe something to the contrary. It eventually gets down to "Look.. the evidence is undeniable"... "Nu uh.."...

 

It is funny how with Chaz he seems so adamant about how wrong and bad what he is doing is, yet on his old show he would advocate for people to have sex changes.

I wonder if you warned viewers not to let their kids watch his show to.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHowP_dBoCc&feature=player_embedded"]Dr. Keith Part 1[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZQ3VhgZQH8&feature=related"]Dr. Keith Part 2[/ame]

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...-bill-make-november-ballot-san-francisco.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/opini...s-other-cities-proposed-ban-circumcision.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/187681-ban-circumcision.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/189207-ban-circumcision-part-2-a.html


Any more questions?

 

Yes, Who says circumcision is horrible? The nut-jobs in SF?

Even I don’t take that city seriously most of the time.

 

The kids were 2 years old. They probably forgot about it by the time they woke up the next morning.

Being an expert in psychology or psychiatry is like being an expert on tinfoil hat engineering, young-earth creationism, or who really did 9/11. It doesn't mean much except to crazy people.

He is mentally ill, but his parents shouldn't be charged with anything. They actually tried to help instead of exacerbating the problem.

It's not about how much is being removed. It's about consent. A 16-minute-old baby does not consent to being mutilated. A 16-year-old German pop star apparently can.

You mean aside from the screaming babies who are experiencing the worst pain that they will ever experience in their lives?

Making decisions based on erroneous data will ALWAYS have negative effects, whether it's something as big as the Spanish Inquisition or as small as a tree getting cut down to be turned into another Bible. Even a religion as benign as Buddhism can get its hands bloody.

The 14th Amendment does not say anything about marriage.

I'll respond to the other 50,000 pages of crap when I have the time...

 

Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

Since there are 1400 rights the state/feds give out with marriage, allowing one group marry while another can not, is not 'equal protection of the laws'.

 

I just wanted you all to know that even after the week and a half since I first posted this, she still believes she is a pirate... so we are going forward with the surgery.

Y'all pray real hard, and say "bless her little pirate heart" in mixed company for us.

 

Don't forget the peg leg.. Gotta have that.