Growing dictatorship in Ukraine...

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  1. Starcastle

    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    As I just told you they condemned the invasion and kicked out a member who defended it.

     
  2. Starcastle

    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    I think it is pretty clear the democrat party should be banned for their loyalty of Mexico and Central America and their support for the invasion of 2 million foreign nationals across our southern borders.

    I also think that congressman Murtha should be posthumously tried for treason and any American who criticized that(Iraq) war.
     
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  3. Kyklos

    Kyklos Well-Known Member Donor

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    Zelensky, a CEO of a media network, is putting on a huge show....nothing he says, or Washington D.C. says can be taken as true. All of the video are put out by a Manafort type New York advertising agency to manage the narrative like was done in Kuwait the
    fabricated stories of Kuwaiti infants being torn from incubators during the build-up to the 1991 Gulf War. SUCKERS AGAIN!

    THE INCUBATOR LIE:
    Manufactured by US Public Relations Firm Hill and Knowlton

    "The day after Iraq invaded Kuwait, the Kuwaitis living in the US hired the public relations firm Hill and Knowlton - a job worth $1 million a month. This was the biggest ever contract in the history of public relations to improve the image of their corrupt, oil-rich regime.

    The story of how Iraqi troops, in the first days of the invasion, went into Al-Adan hospital, tore the sick babies from incubators and left them on the cold floor to die was graphically told to Congress on November 1990 before the crucial vote to send US troops (passed by about 5 votes).

    What the audience didn't know however was that the 15-year old girl who made the moving, tearful testimony was none other than Niyirah al-Sabah - daughter of the US Ambassador to Kuwait. She had allegedly worked as a volunteer in the maternity ward of the hospital. But nurses who live in the two story white building opposite the hospital in Kuwait City claimed that they had never seen the girl before in their life.

    The entire move towards the Gulf War had thus been motivated by a blatant lie. The girl had been "trained" by Hill and Knowlton. The renowned international human rights group Amnesty International took out full-page newspaper spreads to publicize the babies incident. It had unwittingly (and not for the first time) transformed itself from a charity to a propaganda tool. Andrew Whitley of Middle East Watch described the story as a fabrication but it took months for the truth to come out. President Bush mentioned the incubator incident in five of his speeches and seven senators referred to them in speeches backing a pro-war resolution.

    Highly exaggerated reports of thousands of deaths were accepted uncritically, as the PR firm using Kuwaiti contacts inside the country smuggled 24 videotapes to a hungry, unquestioning and gullible mass media."


    From https://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/incubatorlie.html
     
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    Literally no one is arguing otherwise, but they are open loyalists to the Russian Federation. The Russian invasion doesn't exactly help their platform. The only parties suspended in Ukraine are the Russian loyalist parties, which is understandable considering there is an ongoing war with Russia.

    Again, the US didn't allow British Loyalists to hold seats when the Articles of Confederation were established during the American Revolution, only we took it a step farther and allowed state governments to confiscate property from people who were known loyalists.
     
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    What's the excuse for the Father's sons and loved ones that arnt ever comming home? They in on it too?
     
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    Your OP has been proven false over and over again.
    Many have shown per the OP link, it was those loyal to Russia only.
     
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    Sounds like a gross over-reaction to a call for total unity by Zelensky, in the face of overwhelming aggression.... by a dictator who is arresting any in his own nation, his own army and his own staff who in anyway criticize him.

    I'm wondering why you didn't notice that.
    Putin's writers agree with you, of course- but they have no choice. You do; unless you are in Russia....
     
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  8. Kyklos

    Kyklos Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes, their role was to die. What did Trump call them? "Suckers and losers."
     
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    At the time of war, many countries suspend their constitution.
    Ukrainian parliament approved placing the country into the state of war twice and each approval lasts 30 days. Zelensky can’t become a dictator for life because the state of war always has a 30 day expiration. Once the hostilities end, the state will be lifted and all laws will return to normal.
    So, you can stop your Russian propaganda. Ukraine is not a dictatorship. :)
     
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  10. Vernan89188

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    Really? Then why's Putin lying about it, and covering up his losses? Why did he not tell them that, and let them believe it was a "Training exercise".

    At least 10,000 Russians will never get to hold their loved ones again. But that was their role right?
     
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    And what the HELL IS PUTIN ?????????
     
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    Russian propaganda? He suspended 11 political parties including the top opposition party. Was that part of the state of war?

    Since his party holds the majority I guess they have the right to shut up anybody they don't like and that is fine with you. You probably support Pelosi doing that here.

    You used the words "suspend the constitution". Hmm so where does Zelenskyy get his power from? So suspend the constitution except for one guy? If they suspended the constitution there would be no government and no president.
     
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    Trump never said that.
     
  14. Kyklos

    Kyklos Well-Known Member Donor

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    Because Putin is a Neo-Liberal oligarch which the US helped put in power--our General Pinochet.
     
  15. Starcastle

    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    A poster talked about a return to normal. We wish right?

    Normal in the Ukraine is not a free country. According to this site Ukraine is as free as El Salvador and Mexico and behind Sierra Leone.

    https://freedomhouse.org/country/ukraine/freedom-world/2021

    According to the heritage foundation Ukraine is ranked 130th in economic freedom.
     
  16. Starcastle

    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    That is a lie. No effort has been made by you or any others to prove that all of those 11 parties are loyal to Russia. The opposition party condemned the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.

    I documented that in a recent post.
     
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    In the state of war, free speech rights can be suspended. Even in the US. After the war is over, those parties can resume their activities.

    Pelosi is not the POTUS, but if there was land invasion of the U.S. by a much more powerful military then we would see similar limitations here.
    I can give you one example - one of the lawmakers from the pro-Russian political party was caught filming a Ukrainian block post and fortifications. The lawmaker enjoys quite a bit of immunity, but if he places those videos on the social media, all Ukrainian soldiers in that location could be killed as a result of his actions. Similar thing happened before - someone posted a picture of military equipment by a Ukrainian mall and a few hours later the entire mall was heavily bombed.
    This sh!t is very serious and the legal framework of the time of peace cannot apply to the time of war.

    There is a legal framework that addresses the issue of placing the country into the state of war. Zelensky acts entirely within that framework.
    Again, you should stop parroting russian propaganda and think for yourself. ;)
     
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    What is this garbage and what on earth motivates you to smear Ukrainians fighting Russian thugs?
     
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    Comparing democracy in Eastern Europe:

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    Putin's tools like Tucky Carlson and Maddy Cawthorn will persist in spewing their revilements over the one man whose integrity cost their Cry Baby Loser the presidency when he refused to submit to extortion and contrive fake criminal charges against the President.

    With Biden quickly and deftly reversing America's abdication of international leadership, he has coordinated the formerly-reviled NATO and other advanced democracies in thwarting Trump's "savvy genius"'s repugnant aggression.

    Putinism in Russia's future is about as viable as Trumpery's in America. Putin won't even get to pleasure himself with grievance-driven, vendetta-fraught, Loser jamborees.
     
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    I have a hard time disliking a guy who says he need ammunition, not a ride. Putin is slow walking destruction through the Ukraine. Evil stuff.
     
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    You're comparing Marcos to Zelenskyy?
     
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    So what do you suggest? Stop helping and let a confirmed dictatorship take over?
     
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    Stupid Americans don't care. They've already been programmed by the fake news and the Biden POS government.

    I noticed nobody said anything about Zelensky jailing his main political opponent long before the war broke out....what gives Zelensky apologists??

    Who did Zelensky not ban?

    The Neo-nazis, the Svoboda Party (nazi/nationalists) and the media channel that is owned by his buddy Igor Kolomoisky.....the guy that controls him....and in partnership steals billions from the coffers. See the Pandora Papers about this shitbag Zelensky and his friends.

    Zelensky is a big pile of steaming :icon_shithappens:
     
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    There's lyiing going on, but mostly all is related to the OP.

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    Eleven Ukrainian political parties have been suspended because of their links with Russia, according to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

    The country’s national security and defence council took the decision to ban the parties from any political activity. Most of the parties affected were small, but one of them, the Opposition Platform for Life, has 44 seats in the 450-seat Ukrainian parliament.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...nds-11-political-parties-with-links-to-russia
     

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