Growing dictatorship in Ukraine...

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    trump thugs perhaps?
     
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    No he did not. Out of 450 seats in the Verkhovna Rada Ukrayiny, Ukraine's National Parliment, only two parties out of the Russian backed parties that were banned, only the Opposition Party-For Life had 43 seats out of 450 and Opposition Party-Party for Peace and Development which had 6 seats in the Ukraine National Parliment. The party that has a slim majority is the political party, Servant of the People, which has 242 seats. In addition, other parties include European Solidarity with 27 seats, Batkivshchyna with 25 seats, For the Future with 21 seats, Hokos with 20 seats, and Trust Party with 6 seats. There are 4 other minor parties with one seat each.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_Ukraine#Banned_parties
     
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  4. LangleyMan

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    What on earth—you're comparing the United States under Bush with the Ukraine in 2022?
     
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  5. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Seriously, are you supporting Russia and Putin?
     
  6. LangleyMan

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    So, Zelenskyy didn't ban all opposition parties.
     
  7. LangleyMan

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    What sort of unhinged nonsense are you saying is going on?
     
  8. LangleyMan

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    What an absurd claim.
     
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  9. LangleyMan

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    I trust Zelenskyy more than I trust your pal Putin.
     
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    Are you trying to stir up trouble here to help the Russians?
     
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    Only 3 of those parties actually hold seats in the Ukrainian parliament, and combined they make up around 50 seats out of the 450 seats in the Ukrainian parliament.

    To put that in perspective for you, during the American revolution about 20% of the colonists were loyal to Britain, and not only were they prohibited from holding any seats when the Articles of Confederation were established, but the government allowed the states to confiscate the property of known loyalists (which they did).
     
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  12. LangleyMan

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    You're not fooling anyone with this Russian propaganda.
     
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    I can't believe the Zelensky apologists. The guy is a thug. While most all of you have just learned the guy's name in the last 2 months, a few of us have known who this POS is for quite some time.

    This is just the LATEST ROUND of political opponent removal and media removal. Way back...last year...Zelensky had his main political opponent arrested and removed 3 TV stations. One of the TV stations had just done a piece on Zelensky cozying up to prominent Neo-nazis.

    Maybe someday you guys will catch up to reality?

    11 months ago:

    "Amidst the ongoing military confrontation with Russia, reports have emerged proving that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is seeking to appoint the far-right Serhiy Sternenko as head of Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) in Odessa, in an attempt to further his alliance with neo-Nazi forces.

    As the former head of the neo-Nazi Right Sector in Odessa, Sternenko was directly implicated in the 2014 Trade Unions House massacre of 46 people. He is a convicted criminal and currently under investigation for murder."

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/05/01/ukr-m01.html
     
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  14. Starcastle

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    It is not a valid comparison to the American revolution. And if these parties are so insignificant why are they being banned?
     
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    Why does that even matter? That is the test? We are not allowed to understand better the nature of this government we are supporting? We could be in a hot war with Russia and that does not matter? Grow up!

    FYI call Putin my buddy one more time and you will be on ignore and I will not respond to your posts any longer.
     
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  16. LangleyMan

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    Do whatever you like. I'm commenting on the Russian propaganda you keep repeating.
     
  17. Starcastle

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    According to is the key part of that.

    I'm sure Biden would love to out law Foxnews and the republican party for the same reason.

    Americans have the right to know who we are helping and we have the right to know Ukraine is not some beacon of freedom in the world.

    Why can't we make a realistic appraisal of the situation there? Of course democrats will defend any assaults on civil liberties they have been doing that for years.
     
  18. TCassa89

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    You're right it doesn't compare, because we went a lot farther with it.. we actually took the property away from people who were loyal to Britain, and we had a lot more British loyalists than Ukraine does Russian loyalists. Ukraine is only suspending Russian loyalists from government activity.
     
  19. Starcastle

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    Jimmy Dore gives numerous examples of the MSM running stories about Nazis and right wing extremists in the Ukrainian military before the Russian invasion was imminent. .

    A tweet from democrat congressman Ro Khanna in 2018 said this:
    Should Ro Khanna be arrested right now? Along with Obama and Biden?

    In 2015 the New York times described the Azov battalion in Ukraine as "openly neo Nazi".

    Should the person who wrote that be arrested?
     
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  20. Starcastle

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    The American revolution was a rebellion. Not an invasion.
     
  21. TCassa89

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    That's another point to make, we weren't even fully a sovereign country from Britain yet.
     
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  22. Starcastle

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    To understand the new rules when talking about Ukraine we are supposed to assume 3 things.

    1. Ukraine is an American state. Not a foreign country of white Slavs in Eastern Europe. Libos are so invested in hating Putin and pushing lies about Russian collusion and misinformation they cannot help themselves on this. What is funny is that if Ukraine was an American state they would not care about the borders and would be calling the population there privileged.

    2. Zelensky is a heroic centrist democrat!

    3. Democrats and their friends abroad care nothing for civil liberties and will defend assaults on them in every thread of this forum.
     
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    Yeah ... usually the one running from the playground crying "Propaganda" - who is the one drunk on the Propaganda Kool-aid.

    So Langley .. what is this "Russian Propaganda" that has you gobsmacked .. such that you are unable even to speak of it .. nothing like a good does of propaganda to get the day started .. :)
     
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  24. Starcastle

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    I would love for anybody to find the post on this thread where I took Russia's side in this invasion. Or said that Putin rules or that Ukraine is better off being part of Russia.

    I would love for somebody to find a post by me opposing any economic sanctions against Russia government or private. Nestle announced they will not be selling their brands in Russia that is fine with me. Can't buy Russian securities on my Schwab account. I'm fine with that.

    The same libos who sold their souls to China and celebrated their bio weapon calling people pro Putin. Rich. Of course when you cannot win an argument pull Putin from your rectal cavity or yell racist!

    He only banned 11 political parties. If only King Robinette(The side of his ancestry that owned slaves) could do that.
     
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    If King Joe Robinette could ban 11 political parties I'm guessing that one of those would be the republican party. Just a hunch.

    Libos would argue that 10 of those parties are insignificant and since he did not ban ALL political parties he is a great defender of freedom.
     

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