Growing dictatorship in Ukraine...

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  1. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol...where do you get the Russian propaganda?
     
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    Or maybe it's how Putin treats political opponents in Russia. !!!!
     
  3. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Neither did all the political parties with Russian ties that were banned. However, there are about 6 major parties in Ukraine and they vie for votes just like any democracy. We have two major parties that are pretty much the same with a plethora of a whole bunch of minor parties that most elected voters ignore altogether.

    Ukraine is a democracy and banning the parties that are tied to Russia is a prudent move given that Russia invaded Ukraine for no apparant reason.
     
  4. Joe knows

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    We didn’t murder them. We just made sure no spies were helping the Japanese. I’m not sure I do disagree with it. They were known to have spies here that was giving info on targets. If they wouldn’t have done anything it could have been worse.
     
  5. TCassa89

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    I'm sorry, but where on earth are you getting your information that there was a ban on "all" opposition parties? That's not even close to accurate, they haven't banned all opposition parties, they've only suspended the political parties that are loyal to Russia.

    FYI, during the American revolution, not only did the Articles of Confederation prohibit any loyalists from holding any seats in the US, but the government was permitted to seize the property of any known loyalists.
     
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  6. Alwayssa

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    I think you are getting confused between Putin and Zelensky. Putin issued a degree stating that if anyone says or does anything to go against Russia, they will be fined, imprisoned or deported if they are foreign media. Zelensky combined all Ukrainian news media into one to combate the Russian misinformation being projected onto Social Media outlets and others. That's a huge difference.

    Finally, it's quite easy to tell which media is pro Russian and which media is not just as easy to tell which media is conservative and which media is Liberal.

    Putin criminalizes anti war protests and independent news media.
    https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/03/07/russia-criminalizes-independent-war-reporting-anti-war-protests#

    Zelensky combines all Ukrainian national media to combat Russian misinformation
    https://deadline.com/2022/03/ukrain...-to-combat-alleged-misinformation-1234982814/
     
  7. dairyair

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    You know there is a war going on in Ukraine at present?
    You know there is a want to over throw the gov't by the oppressors?
    And you're worried about this in war time?

    If it remains in place after the war is over and Ukraine is still Ukraine, you might have something.
    If Zelensky was truly a dictator, this actor would have declared this before any war.
     
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    1st accurate post I've seen.
     
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  9. dairyair

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    LOL, that's hilarious because the crowd you tell that to is all about conspiracy theories.
    Do you think believers in conspiracy theories are sophisticated thinkers?
     
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    Because you're a sophisticated thinker?
     
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    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    Oh so it's ok then! Let's have that here.
     
  12. Starcastle

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    So Zelenskyy banning opposition parties and speech and media is a far right wing conspiracy theory?
     
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    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    Funny I do not remember people lionizing Kuwait and their leadership as a beacon of freedom in 1991. You suggest that Ukraine is not that and the libos and some conservatives freak.
     
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    Care to address my post, or are you going to continue with your false claim?

     
  15. dairyair

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    Why?
    I guess because you just make things up not base in reality?

    When has any so called liberal not fought for liberty and freedom?
    Has any liberal ever tried to stop the USA democratic election process like your orange leader did?
     
  16. Starcastle

    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    I did respond. Zelenskyy cannot be totally trusted to decide what party is loyal to Russia any more than Biden can do that.
     
  17. Starcastle

    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    Few democrats are liberals. Almost all democrats were fine with lockdowns and mandates. If the governor of Michigan had a firing squad for mask violators most dem posters here would be defending it as saving lives.
     
  18. dairyair

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    Nope, but those who believe in a stolen election are believers in conspiracy theories.
    And that is the crowd the other poster was addressing.
     
  19. dairyair

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    Wow, you're posts have gone off the deep end.
    Good day.
     
  20. Starcastle

    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    No they have not and this thread proves it. Never do democrat posters whether they admit to being democrats or not defend freedom or the assaults on it.

    The ACLU has supported fascist assaults on civil liberties when they should be defending them.

    I'm a real liberal not them.
     
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    Actually, the suspension was on all parties with a pledged loyalty to Russia.. as in their own self described party platform is to be one country with the Russian Federation. It was 11 parties overall, out of which only 3 hold seats, and combined they make up around 50 seats out of the 450 seats in the Ukrainian parliament
     
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  22. Starcastle

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    Provide a link for that lie.

    The second largest party in the country, the opposition platform for life has in their charter they are loyal to Russia?

    That party condemned the Russian invasion and kicked out a member who supported it.
     
  23. TCassa89

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    This is that party you are talking about, like I said before, they have a self described loyalty to the Russian Federation (they even emphasize this to attract Russian voters), and they hold 44 seats out of 450

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_Platform_—_For_Life

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuriy_Boyko
     
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    NOPE!
     
  25. Starcastle

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    How to win an argument with libos? Quote them.

    That is the message of this board. It's only 11 political parties he banned. Shut up! If it was 12 or 13 I might have the right to complain. :rolleyes:

    How dare I!



    Zelenskyy is a rock star a hero. He made me cry!
     
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