Growing dictatorship in Ukraine...

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  1. Starcastle

    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    Zelensky has allowed the Nazi and skinhead people to exist.

    That's what is so funny a bout this. He bans the left wing parties and libos here defend him.
     
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    I just explained.
    People at war protect them by not putting them in harm's way and by removing the possibility of their permanent removal.
    There has been a clearly defined Russian media broadcaster in the UK called RT for years.
    It has been taken off the air.
    Why? Because it was a tool of the Russians to broadcast Russian propaganda and their attempt to erode the west's unity.

    Now if you are happy to say "we were invaded but at least we kept our freedoms which now we have lost because we lost the war" and be happy with that, I hope to goodness you are nowhere close to any form of decision making.
    Because war is sacrifice. By everyone. On all levels of involvement. It doesn't only happen "over there" as it has been experienced in the US.
    I hope you never have to confront it. But one day you may well do so.
     
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    So has the US. allowed nazis and skinheads (geez does anyone still use that term?) .
    Trump even gave them a bye when they had clearly caused huge social disarray.
    and they nearly seriously corrupted American democracy under his watch.
     
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    "Erode the west's unity"? Good one. I'm sure Biden can use that. Might be a bit racist though. White people unite?

    RT was a better news source than CNN. That's how sad this all is.

    Where in the Ukraine constitution does it give universal dictatorial powers to the president?
     
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    The Lt. Colonel he didn't want to name was Oliver North.

    It was the lowest point of the Reagan presidency. A lot of people wanted him impeached over it, but the Dems in Congress just didn't have the stomach to do another impeachment, just a few years after Nixon came close to being impeached.

    It's a long story, and every bit of it was ugly. For example, some Americans nuns were raped and murdered by the 'Contra' guys working for the CIA... The CIA made up that name because they were actually Somocistas. Somoza had been a brutal dictator, and no country was willing to take them in after they fled the country. They were monsters, and were living in a swamp when the CIA hired them..

    I am linking the Wiki article about it. But there isn't enough detail, for that you will need more to actually understand what was going on.

    What I find interesting, that has not been confirmed, is that nobody enters a criminal conspiracy without some trust in the other conspirators. There is a serious chance that the trust was built in a secret agreement (also illegal as hell) to release the hostages Iran was holding after the election. It sounds like something Wild Bill would do. A couple retired Iranians have said that happened, but it hasn't been confirmed. But it fits..

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair
     
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    That has nothing to do withy this. Nazis are allowed in the Ukraine and leftists are not but you defend that?

    How did Trump "give them a bye"? Where do you get your information?
     
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    Absolutely.
    Normal parliamentary process and opposition were melted into one war government in the UK during WW2.
    Who on earth is going to sit in a prime target and discuss the finer points of war campaigns, write up bills, pass them through the Lords with amendments, vote on them and implement them before any decisions are taken?
    Don't be daft.
     
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    Tulsi Gabbard. Lt colonel United states army. Iraq war veteran.
    Combat medical badge.
    Meritorious service medal.

    She was called treasonous by a draft dodging pos named Mitt Romney.
     
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    Tucker is such an emotion based reporter. He’s not even a reporter, he’s a party line commentator. Ukraine is under martial law. Nothing is allowed right now. And why would you allow opposition to take root during a war? Why would you even listen to this guy? All he’ll do is make you blind to reality.
     
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    How do you know leftists are not allowed in Ukraine?
    It is a fully functioning democracy.
    Didn't you know?
    Including a variety of left leaning parties inspired by the recently departed Russian influence.

    Right now Ukraine doesn't appreciate left wing rhetoric applauding the country threatening to destroy it.
     
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    When all fails, change the subject, next up, goalposts get moved...
     
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    I heard Trump say the left and right were equally responsible for riots in BLM demos.
    Not from what I saw.
    and did Trump stand on the steps of the Capitol building and tell his groupies to go home?
    Did he heck.
     
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    We had opposition during WW2.

    How is Tucker a party line anything when he bashes republicans on his show every day? You sound like Brian Stelter.
     
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    Both sides here are just totally ignoring the rather convoluted history of this area. In the 19th century the Ottomans still conducted slave raids on this whole area and claimed dominion going back to the Golden Horde. Then the area declared its independence during the 1920s and consequently became one of Stalin's first and cruelest experiments in mass deportations in the 1930's including the constructed famine of the Holodomor in 1932-33. Partially as a result of these atrocities the Partisan struggle in this area was a three sided conflict and continued well into the 50's in some parts
     
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    WW2 we also put people who looked like our opposition in camps.
     
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    You are seriously misinformed. Trump would never say republicans or right wing people were equally responsible for those riots. They were all left wing. It was the dems who pushed the lie that Trump people were rioting.

    If you are talking about what he said after Charlottesville the media have lied about that non stop. Move up to 1:59 in the video.

    https://worldtimetodays.com/feminists-who-protest-lia-thomas-are-leaving-the-democratic-party/

    So good job of injecting Trump is a racist into a Ukraine thread.
     
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    Yeah and that was wrong.
     
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    I was responding to somebody who thought I referenced Ollie North.

    The issue of idiot Americans trying to call people traitors or treasonous over comments about a foreign country is related.
     
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    The OP was still incorrect as he didn't outlaw all opposition. Whether this will continue or not, no one knows since the country is in the midst of a war, the biggest in Europe since WWII. Maybe Ukraine will cease to exist in the very near future, based on everything one can read and see he will try all he can to prevent that from happening.
     
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    I'm curious how old you are. Were you voting age when Saddam invaded Kuwait? Were you one of those leftists who scream no blood for oil!
     
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    If somebody invades this country and we're still sitting here concerned about Democrats and Republicans, I too hope someone puts a temporary stop to it.
     
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    I don't live in the US, I'm not 'merican and your op was still false. Full stop.
    What Zelenskyy may or may not do no one knows, not even you.
     
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    Trump said that as a corrective measure after he said both sides were equally to blame.
    Trump had no problem with the Patriot Boys or the Oath Keepers.
    You don't get to call Ukraine far right and then ignore Trump.
     
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    I don't even know who those people are. Amazing how leftists are obsessed with groups I know nothing about. Who are the Patriot boys? Do they have a web page?

    The proud boys were the flavor of the month for a while. A group led by a black Hispanic. :roll:
     
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    Someone?
     

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