Here is the problem with China on CV19

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    China is not a benevolent country and never has been. However if they had done this deliberately I think it would have been something at least as fatal as Ebola
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many has Ebola killed vs CV19? Worldwide ...
     
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    for starter if they did it intentionally, they would release ANY where in the world rather than in their own city. shifting blame to SEasia or other place.
    until we can access the lab, we dont know its from animal or leaked. and its not like US-china are in best relationship, i doubt they would allow us to access it for the same reason we wont allow them to access fort detrick
     
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    Have they asked to inspect Ft. Detrick?

    Americans have to stop making up excuses for China.

    Are you not aware the disease is global in nature now?
     
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    they did ask to inspect Ft Detrick or that lab in virginia(there were vape case in virginia near the biolab location in sep/2019, i think ). some chinese conspiracy theory said it was from US back in Oct 2019 during Wuhan world military game, which American was there. 1st covid case was discovered in Nov 2019, so they base on this timing for their conspiracy theory as well the timing of Vape case in virginia around sep 2019

    https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spotlight/CISM-Military-World-Games/
    https://www.newsleader.com/story/ne...tionally-update-on-virginia-cases/3773742002/

    its global, cause some govt take lightly of it. look at SK/Taiwan/NZ, they got it under control in short time, cause SK/taiwan had experience with SARS1 and MERS, they were prepared

    China gotta be stupid to intentionally release in their own city without a vaccine as backup, it also turn world focus on them. if they want do it intentionally, better way to do is release in africa/SE asia/taiwan, anywhere other than in their own cities, this keep focus away from them.

    so its either leaked accidently or from the wet markets due to animal to human transmission. doubt we ever found out without access the scenes
     
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    Don't worry. Biden is defending China. It won't surprise me if Biden attacks Ft. Detrick.
     
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    I suppose it depends on the intent. Perhaps they wanted to hobble, not cripple, the rest of the world.
     
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    if thats true, they would release in other countries, rather than in their own city. It only draw attention to wuhan. and they would have vaccine ready.
     
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    The Chinese are a very subtle people and not afraid of sacrifice.
     
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    lol like you know chinese, so tell me have you live there or know any of them well. if not how do you know.

    they are not stupid, it doesn't benefit them a single bit to release in their own city, entire world will be focus on them. if they want to do it intentionally, it would be much easier to release in africa or SE asia or Samerica or mexico, and no one will know its from china . only the naive think they would release in their own city and have entire world focused on them.
     
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    Well, their "Leaders" don't mind sacrificing them. How many millions of his own people did Mao murder?

    NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG: An explosive new study claims researchers found ‘unique fingerprints’ in COVID-19 samples that they say could only have arisen from manipulation in a laboratory.
    We knew this a year ago.

    It' is the spike protein that allows it to attach to the host. They started with a bat and swapped in spike proteins from other coronaviruses until they found a combination that is very infectious to humans. It was a spike protein from a corona virus that finally did the trick.

    They were doing this in a level two facility, which is roughly equivalent to what you see in your dentist's office, when they should have been doing it in a level four facility, which is everyone in spacesuits like you always see on the Wuhan photos now.

    Then they allowed it to escape the lab, just as SARS and MERS also escaped from this very same lab. And the worst part? Fauci, that evil clown, used US taxpayer money to fund this research in Wuhan.

    Trump Was Right Again!
     
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    I lived two years in China traveling round from Tibet to Harbin. I've seen both the eastern end and western end of the Great Wall and a number of points in between. I know a few Chinese fairly well.

    How well do you know the Chinese that you are so confident that you can mock my knowledge?
     
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    my wife is chinese-american, i travel there many time, i know many chinese immigrant friends back in college and high school. so yea. My parents travel there oftens as well.

    if you know chinese, then it doesn't make sense for them to release COVID in their own cities right? consider if ccp really want to do it, they can release in SEasia mexico or Samerica, and no one will know its them. ccp still have to consider what majority of chinese want, otherwise they wont able to stay in power for too long.
     
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    It didn't make sense for them to try and make steel out of scrap metal in charcoal furnaces . Yet they did it. It didn't make sense for them to close the schools and send the students into the country side to toil on collective farms, yet they did it. It didn't make sense for them to destroy their art heritage, yet they did it.
     
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    ok did CCP say make steel out of scrap metal NOW?? do you have link on that? if not, "COULD" it be some greedy criminal want to earn easy $$$ by doing the scam? lol
    last year we received fake package with seed, you think CCP sanction that too for amazon reviews lol

    as for art heritage, i'm assuming you refer to cultural revolution. yea thats on Mao, i dont see them have another cultural revolution. i mean if we want to go back, we had segregation pre 60s, whats the reason for that. Mao is just that, a piece of crap, the only thing he did right was women equality, otherwise he just another peasant who doesn't know how to run a country. it doesn't mean todays china just gonna release some bioweapon for NO gain at all. and they could do it in other countries instead their own.
    Oh if you really know about china then you should know real cause of the culture revolution? and yes there is a reason Mao doing it
     
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    By releasing it in their own country they trick simple minded Westerners into thinking they didn't release it on purpose.
     
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    lol how did that work right now? seem like they got entire world focus on them, you think they are that stupid. and you claim you know china :roflol: tell you want do you have evidence of this "intentionally release of bioweapon in their own city" if not then it just another conspiracy theory. at least conspiracy theorist have some kind supposed circumstantial evidence.
     
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    And what is the problem that the Chinese have with the world focusing upon them? China is engaged in genocide in Xinjiang, squashing the Hong Kong democracy, sabre rattling toward Taiwan and are aggressively deploying their navy. It would seem that China is indifferent to bad publicity.
     
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    like i said you got evidence on the supposed bioweapon release in their own country or just watched too many sci-fi movie ;) show me some credible link. anyway, have fun with your conspiracy theory, at least get some circumstantial evidence to convince ppl. you sure you stay china for 2 year, after these discussion i doubt it.
     
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    I checked my photo album and sure enough I was in China. I think I have a tad more experience than a man who just married an ABC. (Not that there is anything wrong with that.)
     
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    Very good point, except CCP party ambition is stronger than human decency. I believe it was released by accidental incompetence. But I also believe if they found a pathogen that killed only Chinese, they would use it in a heartbeat. I also believe they see this accidental release as “divine intervention”, and they have proven the effectiveness of releasing a less that lethal pathogen.
    We only need to decide where the line is drawn for an act of war.
     
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    We need to know the truth about what happened. That will come through investigation and through improvements in our relationship with China, probably requiring world wide political pressure.

    More importantly, we (and the world) need to work on strengthening the Wuhan lab and our ties with it. The scientists there are the world's first line of defense against the tens of thousands of SARS varients present in the bat and pangoline population - any of which could figure out how to enter the human population.

    Winning the blame game may well be justified. But, that is not even SLIGHTLY the win we need. The win we need is defense against future outbreaks.

    Finding even more things to hate about China doesn't do that.
     
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    its all about theories, we however, need PROVE its not theories. its your word vs them, they basically said its we bring the virus into their country during oct 19 wuhan games. unless we have prove otherwise just theories.
    1st we dont know its from wet market or accidently leaked but said its latter, you gonna go to war with another nuclear power?
     
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    my wife is not abc, she is naturalized, majority of her life spend in china, and my in-law visit us every few years. + i know chinese friend back in school. if you understand them, then its naive to think they are stupid enough and release in their own country. but enough of that, WHERE is your proof? still waiting on that forever. cause right now all i heard are words, theories, and opinions without any proof they intentionally release it.
     
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    All anybody has is words, theories and opinions regarding the origin of the virus. The Chinese are far from stupid.
     

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