Here is the problem with China on CV19

- we don't have a way to "hold China accountable". If we did, we would have numerous opportunities to start doing that. Attempting this direction is not just pointless, but counterproductive in that it blocks actual attempts to form a solution.

- we are not going to change their culture. Wet markets are a fact of life the world over. Suggesting that nations change their cultures, become rich enough to fund government imposed standards, etc., is ridiculous.

- we don't know what role wet markets in Wuhan played in this particular SARS outbreak. In other outbreaks of SARS variants in that region of China and more south those who became infected included miners and didn't include labs. Did wet markets have anything to do with those cases? I do not believe anyone knows. There is even still a chance that cold chain products moved this SARS variant from some other region.

We need to get to the bottom of what happened (as much as possible) and then work on cooperative approaches with China as well as identifying and reducing the STUPENDOUS blunders we made here in the USA. We need the help of other nations in this. Making this a US v. China thing is not an acceptable approach.

 

EXPLODING: U.S. State Department Tried to Block Investigation of Lab Leak at Wuhan.

Powerful Lobby, Dangerous Research, Serious About Keeping It Covered Up

Propaganda - Fauci's Pal, Dirty Peter Daszak

Conflicts Of Interest

I'm much less surprised now that I was before I watched the entire Federal Government line up to get Hillary off on espionage even as they launched a full scale covert attack on the Trump Campaign, Transition and even Administration.

They WERE a cover up and one that was maintained for 15 months until they just now, finally, lost control of the narrative, despite the best efforts of many of the Left Wing politicians, the Left Wing Fake Media and the Lying "Fact" Checkers.

 

It gets soaked in literally 10 minutes. I feel guilty using 20 masks a shift, and my instinct says it's not sustainable for the environment.

 

I'm sure there are jobs where different consideration is necessary.

OSHA and CDC have pointed this out.

 

Exactly my point, and that point aligns with almost all my criticism since this began: Stop treating us like we are stupid.

 

Um, when it comes to security, especially when it concerns something in which you may not get a 2nd chance, it's your job to immediately assume the worst. It's clear we had no one doing that.

 

I see NO evidence that OSHA and the CDC have treated ANYONE as stupid.

 

Depending on exactly what you mean here, I'd say you could be right.

We left WHO and declared COVID19 to be no big deal, something that would evaporate come spring.

We ignored travel from Europe, which was BY FAR the largest source of COVID that infected the USA - accounting for the majority of our disease in all states but two.

We smirked at and opposed CDC and OSHA recommendations for containment.

The list goes on.

More recently, we left investigation of what happened in China to WHO.

 

One size fits all for going on 2 years with mask wearing. That's the people are stupid approach, because one size does not fit all.

 

First man made pandemic in history and they have talked about Jan 6 for 6 months. No one is going to know what Jan 6 is in 500 years. People will remember the first man made pandemic.

 

Yes, it really would have been wonderful to have more "sizes"

But, your comment about "stupid" is just plain ridiculous. When OSHA and CDC recommendations for improving safety through means other than masks were ignored, places of employment, such as meat packers, became major centers of COVID outbreak.

THAT was what was stupid. What made meat packers and Trump think that they could ignore safety recommendations and NOT have people dying? Or, did they simply not care?

 

The insurrection of Jan 6 will be a significant event in American history FOREVER.

That was an armed assault on our democracy, on our congress, on our vice president. And, it was inspired by the president and a significant section of the Republican party that remains with significant political power today.

How on EARTH could you possibly think that will somehow just be ignored.

 

A riot vs first man made pandemic in history: what should receive more coverage?

Keep falling for distractions from the real threat and see where it gets you.

 

Too little, too late

Several other nations, quite comparable to us when sizes were adjusted, took the proper actions at the proper times. In many cases, their total deaths were in the low 100's and sometimes even less

Trump was told of this before he even became President in 2016. He attended a pandemic "war game" that many hospitals had and which concerned a pandemic that many believed to be inevitable.

Trump's response was to dismantle the Office of Pandemic Awareness in early 2017 to save money, which I believe he used to help build his Wall.

IMO Trump should be charged, tried, and convicted of the willful murder of 600,000 people. All prominent Trumpist leaders should be held accessory. It's high time that the most viciously pernicious and destructive leader in our history be held accountable and people should understand that enabling insane megalomaniacs itself will have consequences

 

What is the "real threat"? Please tell us.

 

Besides being utterly false that doesn't even make sense. If those other epidemics were not as contagious but still spread quickly we should have had more lockdowns, not less.

2 million dead worldwide and still increasing is certainly not a baseless fear. COVID is not Ebola nor the Black Death but concluding from this that somehow several million are not dead is nothing less than vicious idiocy IMO

 

Evidently you have trouble reading.

 

I've always been told that if people misunderstand me that's my fault, not theirs. While admitting to being one of the more abstruse posters here I always try to honor that as an ideal

 

He leaped to create Warp Speed very soon.

I see no proof from you of your claims.
We all know about how Warp speed works. It cut down the time to get vaccines legally in the public to the point experts say a full 8 -9 years of time was saved.
Trump saved millions of lives.

Try proving Trump murdered 600,000 Americans.

How many died under Biden in 4 months? I know, Trump lost 400,000 and Biden has lost 215,000. Wi th the vaccine slowing it down, the Trump vaccine.

 

Well that is quite the spiel Dr. Ulyanov.

Now lets quote Dr. Fauci.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institute of Health, told Congress this week. “I wouldn't necessarily characterize it as a mistake (to eliminate the unit). I would say we worked very well with that office.”

 

Why didn't you want the cops to be armed? Wait I know, one cop killed one woman who was merely protesting.

You took the word of the media that lied about the protesters having arms.

 

It just doesn't pay to be polite to Trump

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=Had...er&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

It's the Trump plague, brought on us by Republicans, thanks conservatism.

And thank god for Democrats and liberals, otherwise we'd all be dead.

 

There is no evidence of this pandemic having been man made. Not only that, but the seriousness of the event had to do with our feckless response.

And, having the world's leading democracy fall under lethal attack from within, both physically and politically is a major, major even in US history.

 

What planet are you on??

I have not suggested that those defending our government shouldn't be armed.

And, there were protesters who absolutely WERE armed.