Here is the problem with China on CV19

except wet market or accidently leak have some bases or low evidence. also like you said china is not stupid, if they want release it, it will be release in other countries, so no one will know its them.

 

Sure. It's far from a perfect situation.

The important part is for us to focus on how to best defend the USA and the rest of the world agains this and future attacks of this kind.

We need China as a partner in that. That doesn't mean we won't apply pressure. But, failing to work this problem is a major mistake, and the problem happens to originate in China. That's where the massively infcted bat population is. That's where the pangolins are. That's where the Wuhan lab is.

 

To be clear, I am not saying Covid is a bio weapon. We just don’t know. But it wouldn’t matter where in the world the virus surfaced, it can be tracked genetically to bat coronaviruses in China. Releasing it in South America wouldn’t change that.

 

ok show me a credible link on how to track the virus back from one continent to another. also if its bioweapon its genetic code will be modified. +you got test every single cluster of bat in the world to know where it came from. no one has that kind of resource. even right now we know its from china, yet we still can't determine its from which cluster of bat in china or leaked from lab. so i doubt we can track from one continent to another

 

You said we know it’s from China but can’t track the genetics to a continent? LOL

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0092_article

The genetics of this thing are closest to bats indigenous to China and pangolins smuggled into and captive in China. It’s not complicated my friend. The minute someone finds a coronavirus in a bat in South America that is closer genetically to SARS-CoV-2 you will have my attention. And yes, bat populations are being tested all over the world. And some close matches are being found all over Asia. But none as closely related as the ones in Yunnan province.

Of course a lot of our knowledge on bats around that area comes from Chinese sources so if they aren’t credible take it up with China.

 

have you read it

China already reported this to WHO and other in December. we ALREDY know its from China Wuhan back in dec 2020. so we basically eliminate ALL other countries as suspect. If they drop somewhere Samerica or SE asia, you think we gonna know its from China. The first thing is investigate local bats population, then expands, and no one has the resource to look at every bats. furthermore, if they do it intentionally, they will modified the genome to make sure its not trace back to them. but anyway, you already mention, that you dont think they did it intentionally so its moot to discuss this.
oh all the authors are from China. cause they were the one publish these findings, we couldn't get the bat simple from them. CDC basically use study/research from China to come up its own conclusion. there is no cooperation between us and them, so CDC basically take their reports.

 

Dude, we know the relationship between SARS1 and SARS-CoV-2. We have known the genetics of these bat viruses from China since 2013. There’s no way SARS-CoV-2 wouldn’t be traced back to China. These genomes are public record and have been for years. We know the genes and the bat populations where they come from.

We agree the information is all suspect because we have to take their word for most of it.

There is no proof this thing was intentional or even helped along by man. But there is no proof it wasn’t. There is plenty of evidence to continue pursuing investigation of both theories.

What’s funny is the majority of pandemics throughout recorded history began in China. It’s the logical place to look for origins just based on pure statistics.

 

really not according to this
https://www.healthline.com/health/worst-disease-outbreaks-history#crypto

and as i said, if they want release intentionally, they would be dumb not to modify it so it can't trace back to them. anyway as you said its just theories at this point.

 

I’m talking about serious pandemics. Your link is about epidemics in the US. I’m talking about actual pandemics that affect the entire planet. The big killers came from China. You know, like Spanish Flu (H1N1) that is still killing people every year and killed 50,000,000 people in a couple years. I’m talking about plague—that still kills 100 or so annually and killed up to 200,000,000 globally at its heights. There is evidence H2N2 originated in China before spreading to Singapore. SARS1 originated in China.

Have you considered it’s possible they WANT it traceable to them? All the arguments against Covid being engineered assume too much.

Like the argument it can’t be a weapon because it doesn’t kill enough infected people. Well, that’s a dumb assumption. Many weapons throughout history were/are designed specifically to harm but not kill. Only a fool would assume a geo-political weapon would be designed to eliminate the cogs in the machine that supports government—people. If this thing is a weapon it’s an economic or psy-ops weapon. Nobody considers those possibilities and that’s a big mistake.

You don’t investigate things like this with a closed mind and preconceived ideas of motives or methods. And that’s all I see from both the China haters and China defenders. Assumptions and closed mindedness.

 

First, they may have been developing the weapons there, and it accidentally leaked.

Second, China gains more than anyone by a virus that kills mostly old and out of shape people.

No way a Communist government would do that? They will do ANYTHING to maintain power. Both the USSR and China starved tens of millions just to prove their economic system could outperform capitalism. They are most definitely capable of releasing Covid. To instinctively deny that possibility is naiive and dangerous.

I would have demanded the blood tests of all lab employees in the first month. Along with the unedited cctv to confirm the completeness and accuracy of the personnel roster. If they weren't cooperative, I would have authorized my cyber and Intel communities no holds barred; find out through any hacking, surveillance tech necessary the information they aren't giving us.

 

Total bullcrap. Trump was far more pro active than Biden would have been. What was Trump supposed to do in 2019 have nationwide lockdowns months before one person is infected?

In March 2020 the mayor of New York one of your democrat heroes was telling people to go to the movies without masks. Biden would have never had a travel restriction on China because of this idiotic obsession with race.

Nothing any democrat governor did was more effective than what Trump did. Stop lying.

 

You have a man crush on Joe Biden. Do you get sexually turned on after imagining changing his diaper?

 

250 million Covid tests were done by the time he left office. We sold and gave a way a huge surplus of ventilators to other countries and had thousands of hospital beds that were never used.

They keep lying.

 

What rest of the world? No country was or is ahead of us on vaccines. South Korea approved it's first vaccine on Feb 10th. The Pflizer vaccine was not approved until March and the Moderna vaccine in May.
And no South Korea did not develop their own vaccine.

 

They say Trump did not take it serious.

What about the hospital beds he had constructed in NY City and elsewhere?
What about the two navy hospital ships he rapidly deployed to NY City and to San Diego, Ca?
Woodward published his book to destroy Trump. I doubt enough Democrats can read well enough to have read that book.
Seems I am too hard on Democrats?

Their media cost this nation the services of a good president that actually cared.

They openly brag they took down Trump.

 

It was not widely available to the citizens. Warp speed is what Trump did to speed the vaccine to we the public. Trump cut regulations to save us all.

 

I watched the Paul Ryan speech he gave at the Reagan Library. Yahoo is spreading fiction. Ryan talked for about 34 minutes and his comments did not blast Trump. He tried to focus on principles and not who our leaders are. We all were upset at how the media misled the public on the Jan 6 rally at the Capitol. Take a look at the photos used by Democrats. Any rough stuff you see is by the Capitol cops.

 

You are making multiple wild-assed suppositions concerning China, concerning our own efforts to investigate, concerning our own desire to investigate, and pretty much everything in between.

That is detrimental to what we and the world actually need.

 

Today they just announced a new avian flu in China. You ask me Robert its not germ warfare, its lack of hygiene and a government too arrogant and proud to admit its country is a cess pool incubation ground for viruses because of the way it handles meat.

In a nut shell its because China will not change its sanitary and health practices.

Interestingly the head of the Communist Party made some statement I heard in BBC saying he thinks Chinese people should be nicer when dealing with non Chinese people in business, Little late for that. How about they learn to wash their hands.

 

Maybe Biden will show them how

 

WARP SPEED ... Read what that change did to speed the vaccine to Americans. Then Trump prepaid for doses.

 

They ran their whole campaign on Trump Did It and they aren't going to change their story now. I always have and always will believe the virus came from that lab in Wuhan. My only question is was the release accidental or intentional. If the latter the possible repercussions are unimaginable.

 

We know for a fact that China keeps rebuffing the US Government. They rebuffed both Trump and Biden. Biden is as much use as a scab.

 

A Chinese Virologist says it was done on purpose. But came from the PLA Lab.
To defeat Trump our media banned her from talking to we the citizens of this country.
She is back out though.

 

You have NO evidence of that. You're just promoting hate against China.

Their are a few tens of thousands of SARS variants (one of which causes COVID) endemic in bats alone.

Every once in a while one of those variants is going to figure out how to cross to humans.

And, at present there is nothing humans can do about that.

You need to reorient yourself to promoting ways for the world to defend against these events. And, that is going top require cooperation with China.