How to Stop Homophobic Behaviour

You've made a number of short posts each containing misleading, erroneous and distorted information. Rather than going from short post to short post I'll take on each in one posting connecting all the pieces.

What you call indoctrination is actually education. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation just as is heterosexuality. Heterosexuality (straight) is the dominant trait while homosexuality (gay) is the recessive trait. In humans brown eyes are the dominant trait and by far, more people have brown eyes. Blue eyes are the recessive trait. Having blue eyes does not make you abnormal, it doesn't mean that you can't see as well, it doesn't make you queer. It is just a minority trait. There is even a more recessive trait than blue eyes. In a relatively small group of people you'll find one brown eye and one blue eye. So heterosexual, same sort of trait as brown eyes; homosexual, same sort of trait as blue eyes; and bisexual, same sort of trait as brown eyed-blue eyed.

You make clear your opposition to the teaching of homosexuality as being an option of equal value to heterosexuality. The way you use the word "option" suggests that you believe sexual orientation is a choice. This is where your entire premise collapses. As the previous paragraph explains a homosexual orientation is a trait not a choice. Test it for yourself: At what point or name the date that you made the decision to be heterosexual? I don't believe anyone can answer that question whether their orientation is straight, gay or bi. A person may come to a realization, but that is hardly a decision. My best friend growing up was an African-American and he told me that it wasn't until kindergarten that he realized he was black, note he didn't decide to be black. It is much the same for sexual orientation but realization generally comes a bit later than kindergarten.

Not much change was required in the sex education curriculum. It teaches that heterosexuality is what most people are, but that some people are homosexual; that while different and a minority, it's of no less value than heterosexuality. That as with other minorities persons who are homosexual deserve to be treated with respect and dignity; that they're to be judged for what they do and accomplish, not for who they are or who they love. Hardly a radical message and certainly not one to inspire heterosexual kids to covet a different orientation.

Unlike any other minority, a gay kid stands alone. Typically she or he does not have parents or siblings or teachers or friends who are gay or, if they are, identified as gay. He or she instinctively knows she or he is so different that there is no one to talk to. The kid can't quite put a finger on it, but knows when he or she hears an uncle telling dad a queer joke or a gag about a lizzy the child knows that they are really laughing at him or her. Gay adults may be mature and successful, but our memories can still recall feeling the stings from the jokes; the fear that comes from not understanding what those strange feelings mean; the terror that you might be evil or bad or a freak; the torture that people you love and care about will hate and reject you for things you can't control or change. Imagine going through something like that at 8 or 9 or 10. It happens everyday in every community in this country. It happens to kids in Catholic families, in Muslim families, in Main-stream Protestant families, in Jewish families, in Mormon families, in Evangelical Christian families, in atheist families, in the families of any and all religions. Most of those kids feel alone and isolated.

As gay adults we know what it's like because it happened to us. That's why we push for gay inclusion in sex education. We want those kids, who know or suspect that they might be gay or those kid who in a year or two will come to recognize that they are different from most other kids, to have at least some facts and information. We want to spare them at least some of the isolations, some of the agony that we experienced. If we as gay adults don't speak out and advocate for them, who will? It's not indoctrination we seek, it's education.

One final clarification. You seem to suggest that sex education, including information on gay orientation, is required for every student. I don't know if you're deliberately twisting the truth, misleading the reader or simply ignorant of the facts. The mandate attaches to the availability of the curriculum not to the student. Parents have the ability to have their child opt out of the program. No one is forced to participate.

I believe I've covered all the points in question. I sincerely hope you think about them all.

 

What absurd homo propaganda. Eye color is determined by genetics. Sexuality is not. Teaching this false information to kids is all a part of the homosexual indoctrination occuring in schools.

 

Before you go around calling something absurd and false information I think you should speak with a geneticist. The latest data suggests a genetic predisposition then triggered by prenatal hormones in early uterine development as being responsible for a homosexual orientation. Because it doesn't work in the same way as the selection of eye color does not mean it isn't genetic or that it is a choice made by the individual. There is little debate that this is a genetic, prenatal process, but verifiable data as to exactly how it works is yet to be fully established. As with most things genetic there is a long way to go before we have all the definitive answers. That, however,does not render it absurd, homo-proopaganda or homosexual indoctrination. Those are homophobic not scientific terms.

Do you also believe in creationism?

 

Im an atheist. And one doesnt have a predisposition to have blue eyes. They have genetics that determine that they will have blue eyes. And some guy with low levels of testosterone may be more predisposed to being gay but he is not determined to be gay. Society and culture have more effect upon ones sexuality than any physical charactheristic.

 

My post was in response to dixion not, not you. Sorry for the confusion.

 

you do understand that indoctrination is not an evil term. You do understand that by trying to push "homosexual education" upon children is in fact indoctrination because it is opinion based and trying to push an opinion which is in fact, the purest definition of indoctrination.

It's no different than a company telling its employees that they have the best product or service, or a university and their orientations, showing the Gore movie etc etc etc..

Indoctrination happens every day in many facets of life.

 

since we're working on definitions let's also look at the use of a word which seems to send shivers down the backs of those pushing the gay agenda.

Let's review the word "normal" and its shortened use "norm"

to say that engaging in homosexual sex is abnormal is a factually correct statement albeit not an insult. It's abnormal for temperatures in Miami to reach 30 degrees but it has done that. Normal is the behavior or trait/ characteristic of a majority occurence such as snow in Maine in the winter, hot temps in Arizona in the summer etc

3% of the people in the USA admit to engaging in homosexual sex. That means that they are not the norm, or normal or are also abnormal. it is not an insult to use the term however the reaction that it illicits is incredible.

It is abnormal to think that the SEC isn't the toughest football division in all of college ball

 

Your definition of "normal" (as applied to homosexuality), is not even close to being correct.

See the following:

 

It's a matter of context, and the fact that words can have subtly different meanings depending on that context. However:

Some people just love to play this game of plausible deniability by calling homosexuals 'abnormal', clearly meaning it either in a pejorative sense, or as a proxy for asserting immorality, and then claiming they were just making a statistical observation, when doing so would be making a statement of the obvious about something that isn't in dispute. Their motives are transparent, and the attempt to cover their ass, laughable.

So to those who think they can get away with it: YOU AREN'T FOOLING ANYONE!

 

it's not normal to drink hot coffee on the beach in the summer

is that offensive?

I don't "normally" put ketchup on my eggs

It's "normal" for me to get attacked and insulted in this subsection of the forum despite not insulting others.

 

I normally drink my coffee black

It's abnormal for me to speed on the highway

I know, I'm not normal, I dunk my french fries in my shake. (you should try it sometime)


me thinks someone's skin is abnormally thin

 

so now we have to add a new definition to a word in the dictionary when applying it to a specific sexual act vs for every other use of the word????

Does that seem "normal" to you?

Is it normal for a man and woman to have sex while standing on their heads?

well golly gee, the word works just fine when discussiing heterosexual acts. Why can't it be said the same as

is it "normal" for 2 women to engage in sexual relations

 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/normal

nor·mal

1.conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.

2.serving to establish a standard.

3.Psychology:

a.approximately average in any psychological trait, as intelligence, personality, or emotional adjustment.​

b.free from any mental disorder; sane.​

4.Biology, Medicine/Medical .

a.free from any infection or other form of disease or malformation, or from experimental therapy or manipulation.
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b.of natural occurrence.​

5.Mathematics:

a.being at right angles, as a line; perpendicular.​

b.of the nature of or pertaining to a mathematical normal.​

c.(of an orthogonal system of real functions) defined so that the integral of the square of the absolute value of any function is 1.
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d.(of a topological space) having the property that corresponding to every pair of disjoint closed sets are two disjoint open sets, each containing one of the closed sets.
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e.(of a subgroup) having the property that the same set of elements results when all the elements of the subgroup are operated on consistently on the left and consistently on the right by any element of the group; invariant. ​

People can stop pretending that the word has only one meaning now. The bold portion is the meaning that bigots mean to apply when talking about gay people not being normal, or being abnormal.

I will reiterate: YOU AREN'T FOOLING ANYONE!

 

Granny says, "It's kinda like...

... how do ya stop a stampedin' bull?...

... ya cut off his stampeder."

 

really, so then the tought police and word police must be called out because a word, which has no negative meaning now offends some??????

have you paid no attention to my constant theme? You and others continue to want to control the thoughts of others and then toss labels around as if first and foremost, you are ordained to do so and second, as if only your opinion is the correct one.

You support supressing thpoughts and punishing others who have opposing thoughts, yet want to force your thoughts upon others.

And you use the word bigot and intolerance while wearing those colors yourself.

 

Revealing the homosexuals and their supporters always run to the American Psychiatric Association as their authority on homosexuality.

The average person has sex with someone of the opposite sex.

 

??? No, thats the definition of normal YOU insist we use. "free from any mental disorder". Congratulations homosexuals. The APA doesnt consider you crazy, like they used to. But CRAZY isnt the dividing line that separates normal behavior from behavior that is not, for the average person.

 

It has. But it doesn't surprise me to see the relation

MMM, if you teach about sexuality, you must properly teach it. And it includes homosexuality, as bisexuality and asexuality.

 

You make no sense.

You left off transexuals, transgenders and transvestites. And the APA now considers pedophillia to be just another sexual orientation as well.

 

The APA is merely the most "well-known"; there are other reputable organizations saying the same things.

MOST PEOPLE are heterosexuals; some people are homosexuals. Average people, come in gay AND straight packages. Can you accept that? 'Exceptional' people also come in gay and straight packages.

So, what are you saying?

 

Being ""free from any mental disorder", doesnt make you normal. It makes you free of any mental disorders.

 

Meanwhile, back in reality...

BS. I have no control over other people. They can think or say whatever they like - just as I can think or say whatever I like in criticism of it.

It's pretty obvious from the post where you first brought it up that your intent was to get a rise out of people, so it's pretty funny that you're now whining about someone explaining why it provokes a reaction.

Not true. People are entitled to have "opposing thoughts". I don't have magical powers to control what they think. If, through persuasive argument, they come rethink their positions, great. But I don't expect people with entrenched opinions to give a rat's ass what I think or say about it. I don't debate for their benefit.

On the contrary, I'm very tolerant and hardly a bigot. That doesn't require me to be a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) who's afraid of expressing an opinion.

 

Well, he provided the definition of normal, about 10 examples with the word in a sentence demonstrating the same meaning of the word, and you are adamant that this is not what he means??????

 

dixon, homosexuality is "normal"; and you cannot fabricate the truth to fit YOUR worldview.

 

I dont doubt it is perfectly normal to you.